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Optimized Seti@Home apps => Windows => GPU crunching => Topic started by: Sutaru Tsureku on 21 Jul 2009, 11:13:33 pm

Title: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 21 Jul 2009, 11:13:33 pm
I thought, it would be a well idea to make a thread about the latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version.  :)
(Not Beta!)


I saw a new nVIDIA_driver: 190.38 (July 21, 2009)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_190.38_whql.html
Adds support for OpenGL 3.1
Adds support for CUDA 2.3 for improved performance in GPU Computing applications.
Includes several new control panel features and numerous bug fixes.




Latest nVIDIA_driver:
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us


Latest CUDA_Version: (CUDA Toolkit)
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html



Hmm.. but where is CUDA_V2.3 ?

If from an other URL for DL (it would be nice if you would post..! ;)), I can use the new CUDA_V2.3 (cudart.dll + cufft.dll) with the current available CUDA_V12_app (with and without VLARkill) and the 'old' libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll ?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 22 Jul 2009, 01:45:07 am
...
Hmm.. but where is CUDA_V2.3 ?
...

Still in nVidia registered developer area only, so no beta tests for apps with that till it's released on the cuda download pages  ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 22 Jul 2009, 04:26:09 am
Yes, you can use CUDA RT 2.3 with older CUDA MB builds. And you could get nice speedup from that... but you should figure out how to get CUDA RT 2.3 first :)
Maybe some inet search will bring some binaries leakage into public. As for official nVidia site AFAIK CUDA 2.3 still unavailable.

ADDON: it's possible that CUDA RT 2.3 release will be today.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Vyper on 22 Jul 2009, 08:31:49 am
Page hasnt been updated but if you manually copy the link and pastes into a new link changing 2_2 to 2_3 everywhere you can get it to download..

:)

//Vyper
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 22 Jul 2009, 08:43:45 am
hehe, will try :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: sunu on 22 Jul 2009, 08:51:35 am
Page hasnt been updated but if you manually copy the link and pastes into a new link changing 2_2 to 2_3 everywhere you can get it to download..

It works!  :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 22 Jul 2009, 08:58:09 am
yes, works here too :)
But need to chack if it's true CUDA RT2.3, not only renamed exe file :)
EDIT:
Ah... released yesterday already....
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=102548
(Thanks Devaster for info)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 22 Jul 2009, 08:59:01 am
it is released thru forum at yesterday .... http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=102548
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 22 Jul 2009, 10:33:35 am
Thanks @ all !  :)

So it's well to use the CUDA_V2.3 (CUDA_Toolkit) (DL from the dev forum) and use it?

But.. for now I didn't DLed the CUDA_Toolkit. It's only a folder with files ((auto) extraction after DL), or an installation of software?
Because the DL file is an .exe .

I don't want to install more software as needed.
From my experiences, more software -> Windows unstable.  ;)

Maybe update of the Installer with the new .dll's for easier update?  :D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 22 Jul 2009, 10:38:27 am
Get only the needed 2.3 dlls in beta downloads here (http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=29), and get 190.38 driver from nVidia.  Some small speedup at high angle ranges is observed with V12, will be experimenting to see if new compiler makes a better build, or not, for a while.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Purple Rabbit on 22 Jul 2009, 12:17:22 pm
I have seen people urging everyone (in a number of threads) to update their CUDA dlls. Perhaps this is a silly question, but my 8600GTS is only a CUDA 1.1 device. Why would I want to do this? I'm guessing what I have is as good as it gets. I have the 185 drivers and 2.2 CUDA dlls. Are there any advantages with the new dlls for an old (sheesh, I bought it last year) card?

I normally upgrade just on general principles, but I've always assumed that I'm pushing on a rope for my venerable card  :)

Rick
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 22 Jul 2009, 12:23:07 pm
1.1 is the hardware 'Compute Capability' not Cuda, Cuda is the language/Libraries used.  While your hardware remains the same, recent rapid development in drivers & Cuda seems to have been fuelled by another certain technology push still to come, which is making underlying driver/library support critical to performance.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Purple Rabbit on 22 Jul 2009, 12:25:53 pm
Thank you Jason. I missed that distinction (because I didn't understand it  ;) )

Hi ho, hi ho, off to update I go  ;D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 22 Jul 2009, 12:27:21 pm
In the meantime, my 9800-series cards are also compute capability 1.1, and the new 190.38 drivers plus CUDA 2.3 DLLs have just speeded them up by ~30%.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Samuel on 22 Jul 2009, 04:58:39 pm
In the meantime, my 9800-series cards are also compute capability 1.1, and the new 190.38 drivers plus CUDA 2.3 DLLs have just speeded them up by ~30%.

Same here (9800 GT). Mid-range AR 17.5 min to 12 min, VHAR 7 min to 3 min  :o :)
Almost offsetting the new increased sensitivity...
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Purple Rabbit on 22 Jul 2009, 06:18:57 pm
I didn't see any speed up after my update to 190 and 2.3 dll  (sample size of 3). I'm still getting about 45 minutes (wall clock time) for the GPU and 1:20 hours for the CPU (Q6600). I suspect my 8600GTS is doing all it can. It may have changed a minute or so, but I don't watch it that closely so I can't tell.

Where can I download the nanobots to upgrade my 8600GTS to infinite speed?  ;D

Rick
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: popandbob on 23 Jul 2009, 04:25:32 am
On a GTX260 I just did a shorty in 1minute 20 seconds wall time... an improvement of... 2.1x faster!!
Now the question is... are they valid??
It seems almost too good to be true

-Bob
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: sunu on 23 Jul 2009, 04:49:49 am
On a GTX260 I just did a shorty in 1minute 20 seconds wall time... an improvement of... 2.1x faster!!
Now the question is... are they valid??
It seems almost too good to be true
-Bob

Yes, unfortunately berkeley has switched off the tasks pages and we can't check.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: MarkJ on 23 Jul 2009, 10:01:49 am
I didn't see any speed up after my update to 190 and 2.3 dll  (sample size of 3). I'm still getting about 45 minutes (wall clock time) for the GPU and 1:20 hours for the CPU (Q6600). I suspect my 8600GTS is doing all it can. It may have changed a minute or so, but I don't watch it that closely so I can't tell.

Where can I download the nanobots to upgrade my 8600GTS to infinite speed?  ;D

Rick

Did you update the cufft and cudart.dll's in the projects\setiathome folder? If not then you'd still be running the older cuda version (whichever one you had previously).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Firehawk on 23 Jul 2009, 12:00:24 pm
Sorry, I miss that for sure but...Where can I get the needed files?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: sunu on 23 Jul 2009, 12:18:18 pm
Get them from http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=208

You'll also need the latest nvidia drivers.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pappa on 23 Jul 2009, 12:19:52 pm
On a GTX260 I just did a shorty in 1minute 20 seconds wall time... an improvement of... 2.1x faster!!
Now the question is... are they valid??
It seems almost too good to be true

-Bob

What I have running in "Seti Beta" is having "no" issues with stock or other unnoted users that were still running Optimized after the release. That is including the 2.3 DLL's introduced yesterday after it was released into Seti Main.


Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: popandbob on 23 Jul 2009, 12:33:21 pm
Well if the results are valid I'm seeing a HUGE improvement.
I am seeing wall times of 10.5 minutes for a long task (increased sensitivity), 5.5 minutes for an non increased sensitivity long task, and 1.3 for a short non increased sensitivity shorty and 3 min for a increased one.

Previously with 2.2 it was 8 min for a long task and 3 for a shorty.

Improvement for shorty's = 2x faster
Improvement for longer task = 1.5x faster

Bob

P.S. I estimate the final DCF at below 0.0085 since right now it takes 10 min for a task which estimates 2.5hrs @ DCF 0.17
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 23 Jul 2009, 02:53:46 pm
Get only the needed 2.3 dlls in beta downloads here (http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=29), and get 190.38 driver from nVidia.  Some small speedup at high angle ranges is observed with V12, will be experimenting to see if new compiler makes a better build, or not, for a while.
I took the CUDA_V2.3 (.dll's) from the 'public DL area' here.
They are the same like in the 'beta release area'?

Or how I could understand your post?
You would like to optimize the '.dll's' or the 'CUDA_app'?


@ opt. crew
I have an other question because of the 'new Enhanced WUs' from SETI@home.
Could you look to this thread in the SETI@home-NC forum?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54764
Because of new longer MB WUs..
The VLARkill option of the CUDA_V12_app will identify VLARs like before?

Or maybe.. no longer VLARkill needed, because the VLARs will be faster calculated with CUDA_V2.3 ?
Or this is only possible with a new CUDA_app?


O.K., one more question to the opt. crew..  ;)
For only CUDA crunching and best performance, PhysX ON/OFF ?

Over the system tray icon from nVIDIA.. right click -> performance and quality setting / system performance -> I can choose:
Stock is 'quality'.
How should be the setting for best CUDA performance?


Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: popandbob on 23 Jul 2009, 03:35:34 pm
VLAR's are just as slow as before... or well maybe a little slower even?
I ran one as a test in stand alone mode and well after 20 min it was only 0.35% complete.

As to my previous speed claims I've now had a couple tasks take 18 min... I tried to see how to tell the difference in the work unit header but I couldn't see anything that made sense.
I did also have an issue before when a task didn't end right the next tasks would take 20 min but I'm not sure that's the case this time because one finished in between that was a shorty at 2 minutes. Its also a possibility that there is a lot more speed variation depending on AR now than before.

Bob
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 23 Jul 2009, 06:37:59 pm
As I already answered on SETI main, no changes  in VLAR (kill) situation.
You will process all other tasks just faster.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: popandbob on 23 Jul 2009, 07:41:38 pm
O.K., one more question to the opt. crew..  ;)
For only CUDA crunching and best performance, PhysX ON/OFF ?

Over the system tray icon from nVIDIA.. right click -> performance and quality setting / system performance -> I can choose:
    * high performance
    * performance
    * quality
    * high quality
Stock is 'quality'.
How should be the setting for best CUDA performance?

I'm not one of the team but...

PhysX doesn't affect crunching... leave it on or off it doesn't matter for performance however with it on you shouldn't need to put a load (monitor or dummy plug) on a video card to use it (in theory)

High performance may give a very small boost but the best bet is to not have the screen displaying anything at all (in other words use the blank screen saver and not using the PC)

Bob
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: popandbob on 23 Jul 2009, 08:34:07 pm
Now that the task list is turned on again...
They are valid!
So looking at the improvements I'm seeing about 10 credits a minute. (8.8 for a 92 credit task and 12.46 for a 29.08 credit task)
So 14000 RAC possible with a single GTX260core216
 :)
Bob
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Zeus Fab3r on 23 Jul 2009, 08:58:55 pm
Now that the task list is turned on again...
They are valid!
Bob

I hope they are, but should I be voried about this Result? (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1314949779)
Strange is that they are in Completed, waiting for validation state, not invalid ?!¿¡
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Purple Rabbit on 23 Jul 2009, 11:22:55 pm
Did you update the cufft and cudart.dll's in the projects\setiathome folder? If not then you'd still be running the older cuda version (whichever one you had previously).
Drat! I put them in the BOINC folder. It's fixed now. I wasn't paying attention again  :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Biffa on 24 Jul 2009, 06:34:39 pm
Get only the needed 2.3 dlls in beta downloads here (http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;catd=29), and get 190.38 driver from nVidia.  Some small speedup at high angle ranges is observed with V12, will be experimenting to see if new compiler makes a better build, or not, for a while.

Are these the same dll's that are in the \CUDA\bin folder after you install the CUDA 2.3 Toolkit?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 24 Jul 2009, 08:35:56 pm
Are these the same dll's that are in the \CUDA\bin folder after you install the CUDA 2.3 Toolkit?
Yes.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 27 Jul 2009, 11:20:05 am
After installing the 106MB CUDA 2.3 files from Nvidia I installed cufft.dll and cudart.dll from here. Now I am done and ready to resume processing, is that correct?

No app_info.xml updates and no update to libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll?

Tnx - Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 27 Jul 2009, 11:30:04 am
correct, the same old fftw library remains, and has nothing to do with cuda, but other parts of the application.  Since the files have the same name, there are no app_info changes.  Do make sure your driver is 190.38+ though.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 27 Jul 2009, 11:34:09 am
correct, the same old fftw library remains, and has nothing to do with cuda, but other parts of the application.  Since the files have the same name, there are no app_info changes.  Do make sure your driver is 190.38+ though.

After installing CUDA2.3 from nvidia my driver is listed as 6.14.11.9038. I took the last part xx.1.9038 to mean now I have V190.38.
Thanks!
Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 27 Jul 2009, 11:42:43 am
Yup, looking good.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: popandbob on 27 Jul 2009, 10:46:58 pm
I'm now seeing a few Validation inconclusive's. These have different numbers of reported signals

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=483603078
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=484145164
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=484082989
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=484082989

Lots more are reporting the same signals but are still V.I.'s
Right now there are no invalids however.


BTW has anyone noticed the length of the AR 0.267 tasks? I've only had 2 but the claimed credit was over 200! 197 given.

Bob
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 27 Jul 2009, 11:14:05 pm
hmmm, since faster processing may mean more heat, it might be worth running 'Scan for Artefacts' mode for a while in AtiTool (works on nvidia cards despite the name) to see if the card's getting a bit unstable when warm, or on some performance edge with memory or core clocks etc...  1 hour without a single artefact chime is what I aim for.

http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: mr.mac52 on 28 Jul 2009, 10:47:18 am
For what it's worth, the first attemp to upgrade to 190.38 failed, no error message was noted but when I rebooted it was still the older version.  I down loaded another copy of the installation file from Nvidia and ran it again and the second time it worked fine.  My system seems to be faster with CUDA 2.3 and is running error free on an GTS8800.  I'm considering upgrading to get more compute power for my CUDA tasks.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 28 Jul 2009, 04:35:47 pm
I'm getting a video card, one of the less expensive types. It will be a MSI card, so my MSI mobo monitor will cover the GPU as well. I have two in mind - which will provide best CUDA performance?

N275GTX @666MHz, 896MB GDDR3 ram@2322MHz, 240 stream processors for $200

N260GTX @655MHz, 1792MB DDR3 ram@2100MHz, 216 stream processors for $295

So the questions are, are stream processors important to CUDA? Is less but faster memory better than more but slower memory? Is there something important to CUDA in the 275 vs 260?

Hope its OK on this thread.

Thanks
Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 28 Jul 2009, 06:11:04 pm
N275GTX @666MHz, 896MB GDDR3 ram@2322MHz, 240 stream processors for $200
N260GTX @655MHz, 1792MB DDR3 ram@2100MHz, 216 stream processors for $295
So the questions are, are stream processors important to CUDA? Is less but faster memory better than more but slower memory? Is there something important to CUDA in the 275 vs 260?
  I'd have to say the 275 looks like the better deal to me, since there's extra processing (~10% more processors & some extra clock speed) grunt all around.  I'm not exactly sure what would need that much RAM as is on the 260, but the apps in their current (& likely foreseeable future) form wouldn't use it.  So, ignoring processing, the choice will come down to power requirements and perhaps cooling etc..., but the 275 looks better to me.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Tye on 29 Jul 2009, 02:17:50 pm
I'm getting a video card, one of the less expensive types. It will be a MSI card, so my MSI mobo monitor will cover the GPU as well. I have two in mind - which will provide best CUDA performance?

N275GTX @666MHz, 896MB GDDR3 ram@2322MHz, 240 stream processors for $200

N260GTX @655MHz, 1792MB DDR3 ram@2100MHz, 216 stream processors for $295

So the questions are, are stream processors important to CUDA? Is less but faster memory better than more but slower memory? Is there something important to CUDA in the 275 vs 260?

I'd definitely go with the 275.  See this page for relative performance (GFLOPS column) of each at their default speeds:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series .  These GFLOPS numbers are not the same you see in BOINC, but they do scale well IME (8800GT, G94 9600 GSO, and G92 9600 GSO).  I'm now running dual-GPU in linux with some of these and all works great!

Scaling the two choices you give with their GPU speed gives ~915 GFLOPS for the 260-216, and 1064 GFLOPS for the 275, approximately.  This also just about matches the ratio of performance you get by (666*240)/(655/216).  Math works pretty well here, since all we're doing is crunching - effectively a synthetic benchmark itself.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 30 Jul 2009, 12:41:36 pm
Quote
N275GTX @666MHz, 896MB GDDR3 ram@2322MHz, 240 stream processors for $200

N260GTX @655MHz, 1792MB DDR3 ram@2100MHz, 216 stream processors for $295

So the questions are, are stream processors important to CUDA? Is less but faster memory better than more but slower memory? Is there something important to CUDA in the 275 vs 260?
Quote
I'd definitely go with the 275.  See this page for relative performance (GFLOPS column) of each at their default speeds:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_Series .  These GFLOPS numbers are not the same you see in BOINC, but they do scale well IME (8800GT, G94 9600 GSO, and G92 9600 GSO).  I'm now running dual-GPU in linux with some of these and all works great!

...Which thanks to you and Jason G. is exactly what I chose. It helped a lot that the 275 card is $100 less at newegg. All the card will do is process CUDA WU and run my monitor, no video, gaming etc., so whatever the other $100 would have brought me, I probably don't care.
Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Lord Asmodeus on 30 Jul 2009, 03:52:07 pm
The 275 is newer and better, the 260 will soon disappear. 1792MB is useless on this card, it would only be necessary on a very GPU demanding videogame (GTA IV), on a 30" screen, and then, the card has not enough guts. Maybe in SLI or tri-SLI it would make sense, but if you have so much money, you don't take a "middle segment" 260, you go directly to the GTX285 with 2GB of RAM.

I'm using the new drivers/new DLL for an hour now and it seems OK.

I'm still with the V11 VLARKill because the V12 doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 04 Aug 2009, 08:15:49 pm
Well the 275GTX is in and running as of an hour ago. Immediately I noticed it runs hot. GPUZ says its at 90 deg C with room temp about 75 C. The fans are at full speed, bit on the noisy side. Would you folks think this is about right?

Link to current CUDA WU:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=487945757

and to host:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4296770

Thanks Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: popandbob on 04 Aug 2009, 10:12:41 pm
The ambient temp is not room temp its some other card temperature.

Try speeding up the fans with whichever OC'ing program you prefer.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: figment on 11 Aug 2009, 01:07:45 am
I'm getting a ton of comp errors on my cuda's so I decided to uninstall everything (boinc & unified installer).  After uninstall, I noticed I still had the \programData\BOINC\ folder, so I deleted that too.  I'm ready to try this again, and want to make sure I'm doing this right.

Running Vista Ultimate x64, e6700, 2x MSI GTX260's. 4gb RAM

Currently:
- Nvidia driver 190.38 installed
- SLI disabled
- Downloaded & installed 2.3 Cuda Driver from nvidia.com for Vista x64
- Downloaded & installed BOINC 6.6.36 (all default options)

I'm running boinc currently on the default settings.  At this point to get up and running on the unified installer, I believe I have to perform the following correct?
 
1.  Download Lunatics_Win64v0.2_(SSE3+)_AP505r168_AKv8bx64_CudaV12.exe
2.  Install it  (I only want to run cuda units)
     -  Selecting only: Enable processing Multibeam tasks on nvidia cuda gpu (6.08) option
     -  Default destination folder
3.  Download the 2.3 Cuda DLL's from this site (cudart.dll & cufft.dll) and place them in the C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu folder
4.  Restart BOINC and done?

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 11 Aug 2009, 04:30:44 am
I'm running boinc currently on the default settings.  At this point to get up and running on the unified installer, I believe I have to perform the following correct?
 
1.  Download Lunatics_Win64v0.2_(SSE3+)_AP505r168_AKv8bx64_CudaV12.exe
2.  Install it  (I only want to run cuda units)
     -  Selecting only: Enable processing Multibeam tasks on nvidia cuda gpu (6.08) option
     -  Default destination folder
3.  Download the 2.3 Cuda DLL's from this site (cudart.dll & cufft.dll) and place them in the C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu folder
4.  Restart BOINC and done?
0. Make sure stock CUDA app running OK on your host, it's required step.
1. your 1.
2. your 2.
2a. check that boinc stopped.
3.your 3 (all downloads can be done before actually ;) , but DLLs should be replaced when BOINC is stopped)
4. start BOINC, not restart it (cause it should be stopped on prev stage).

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 11 Aug 2009, 10:40:53 pm
I have to say "Thanks" again. The latest KWSN mods and Nvidia drivers have had quite the effect on my RAC which was on the order 13,500 a week ago. Now its 19,000 with (so far) constant slope. No sign of leveling yet. Where it stops, nobody knows!
Thanks
Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: timiman on 15 Oct 2009, 02:34:47 pm
Thanks for me too.
Last week I realized that I was using CUDA 2.2 on my 8800GTS SLI setup.
Now RAC went 60%+ and time for every DU dropped to 4 mins for the quick dus and 22 mins for the big ones.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 31 Oct 2009, 06:02:13 am
Nvidia driver 195.39 Beta has been released with Cuda 3.0 support, and Open Computing Language (OpenCL) 1.0 support.
just waiting for the Cuda 3.0 dll's to try.  ;D

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 31 Oct 2009, 09:14:43 am
... Cuda 3.0 dll's to try.  ;D

Could possibly be waiting 'till after GT300 release for those. Nothing in nVidia registered developer area for those so far.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 31 Oct 2009, 04:28:07 pm
Just tried the 195.39 drivers on the Frozen Nehi...........

Not good.   Drivers loaded fine and everything was OK on reboot.

But when I restarted Boinc and it started to crunch Seti, the Cuda tasks were taking up lots of CPU time and running slowly.
Usually, the Cuda tasks take a full core for 30 seconds or less, and then fall back to 1-3% CPU usage while they run.  With the new driver, I ran for just a few minutes, but there was never a fallback......high CPU usage continued, and I could tell from the Killawatt that the GTX295 was not drawing nearly the power it usually does when processing Cuda work.

Reinstalled 190.62 drivers and all is back to normal again.
This in on XP x64.

Anybody else wanna try and see if your results mirror mine?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 31 Oct 2009, 04:56:54 pm
It's O.K on my 9800GTX+ with Vista 64bit,
Laptop's 128Mb 8400M GS O.K on Collatz with Vista 32bit.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 31 Oct 2009, 05:02:44 pm
Hmmmmmmmm.....
Might try it again tomorrow and let it run a bit longer to see if anything changes.
Otherwise I'll wait until Jason gets the actual 3.0 dll's and see if it responds any differently with them than with the 2.3's.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 31 Oct 2009, 05:11:28 pm
There's a host in the top 30 or so running it with 3 GPU's,
have a look at his run times,
i'm posting from a PSP, and it's somewhat difficult for me.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 06 Nov 2009, 02:06:03 am
released CUDA 3.0beta time to recompile
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: cristipurdel on 06 Nov 2009, 02:16:12 am
If CUDA 3.0 is not backwards compatible with 2.03. wouldn't be more easy to go for OpenCL?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: MarkJ on 06 Nov 2009, 02:51:24 am
I tried the beta last week. It crapped out on GPUgrid work. Was using 195.39 with cuda 2.3 DLL's. Went back and installed 190.62 after that little episode.

Your can read about it here (http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1452)

Unfortunately being version 1.0 OpenCL isn't useful for most people. It doesn't have any FFT libraries, which means its useless to Seti and GPUgrid in its current version.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 06 Nov 2009, 03:42:29 am
under win7 64-bit last drivers are running without problems - games, seti, collatz, gpugrid ....
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 06 Nov 2009, 01:40:54 pm
released CUDA 3.0beta time to recompile
Prev CUDAs didn't increase speed much from recompile. Most speedup came just for using new CUFFT library with older build.
That is, if we will have ability to get CUFFT 3.0 some speedup could be recived "for free" I hope ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 06 Nov 2009, 01:46:05 pm
released CUDA 3.0beta time to recompile
Prev CUDAs didn't increase speed much from recompile. Most speedup came just for using new CUFFT library with older build.
That is, if we will have ability to get CUFFT 3.0 some speedup could be recived "for free" I hope ;)

You do know that CUDA Toolkit 3.0 beta released (http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=149959) for registered developers?

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 06 Nov 2009, 01:48:42 pm
released CUDA 3.0beta time to recompile
Prev CUDAs didn't increase speed much from recompile. Most speedup came just for using new CUFFT library with older build.
That is, if we will have ability to get CUFFT 3.0 some speedup could be recived "for free" I hope ;)

You do know that CUDA Toolkit 3.0 beta released (http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=149959) for registered developers?

Claggy
nVidia has too "corporation-oriented" registration form for beta program...
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 06 Nov 2009, 07:13:08 pm
nVidia has too "corporation-oriented" registration form for beta program...

Nah, you just tell the truth on the form, in the most optimistic way possible (Which strategy matches with nVidia's marketing strategy quite well  ;), think keywords like signal processing, optimisation, radar & deep space ).  They know who we are (I reckon).  Will be taking a look when I get the time (since already registered for a fair while), and see if there's any useful improvements, or if it's just a major revision for as yet unreleased hardware compute capability. (Which I feel is likely) .. nothing there last week when I looked, but will look again.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 07 Nov 2009, 04:55:17 am
released CUDA 3.0beta time to recompile
Prev CUDAs didn't increase speed much from recompile. Most speedup came just for using new CUFFT library with older build.
That is, if we will have ability to get CUFFT 3.0 some speedup could be recived "for free" I hope ;)

You do know that CUDA Toolkit 3.0 beta released (http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=149959) for registered developers?

Claggy
nVidia has too "corporation-oriented" registration form for beta program...

i am not in corporation and i am there ... nobody was verifified my given infos .... ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 07 Nov 2009, 04:57:30 am

i am not in corporation and i am there ... nobody was verifified my given infos .... ;)
Ok, will try to fill that huge form again  :o
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 07 Nov 2009, 05:21:14 pm
Cuda 3.0 is already on some of computers :) (look at thread)  BOINC startup CUDA info :)

GeForce 8700M GT (driver version 19539, CUDA version 3000, compute capability 1.1, 512MB, 80 GFLOPS peak)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 08 Nov 2009, 04:00:07 am
Reviewing the Beta download information, there are no obvious performance related improvements related to 'existing  builds & hardware' that currently run with 2.3 DLLs  (unlike the 2.2-> 2.3 transition which featured much faster FFT processing), however that doesn't mean there couldn't be *some*.

The Cuda 3.0 Beta SDK's are under the usual registered developer NDA's so that means DLL's etc cannot be publicly released until nVidia say so ... And may not hold any benefits 'till you buy some as yet unreleased card anyway....

Put another way, the primary improvements in Cuda 3.0 appear to be DirectX and OpenGL/OpenCL interoperation, and preliminary introduction of Fermi  feature support, rather than anything useful to us right now...

Experimental builds will evolve in the direction that needs that stuff, but can only go for public test / release when such hardware & builds exist ...  and such hardware I imagine is likely to be well out of my price range.  So People:  please stop PM'ing me about Cuda 3.0 builds .. you're not getting a build until it (a)would be of benefit to you AND (b) nvidia says so. (Probably @Fermi release later in the month), and possibly (c) Affordable GT300 based cards are released (And I'm able to get one).

Aside: Also stop asking ( Me by PM here and at main) about 64 bit builds please ... Current (V12)releases run on the GPU entirely, so the OS/library doesn't matter a toss ...   V13 Hybrid Is a different story .. but is very much Pre-Alpha, so 64 bit is ignored for development consolidation purposes.

Regards, Jason

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 08 Nov 2009, 04:34:58 am
Thanks Jason for the clarification,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 08 Nov 2009, 11:38:53 am
so for now replacing libraries doesnt work i must recompile ....
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Vyper on 08 Nov 2009, 03:31:52 pm
Yes

That's true it seems, i've tried and it doesn't work unfortunately.
But i also think that Cuda 3.0 is more or less directed towards upcoming Fermi architecture cards and i suspect that if you run Cuda 3.0 with non fermi hardware it will not speedup so much more than 2.3 can deliver.
All the advantages with 3.0 will be directed towards Fermi cards so nVidia probably can sell more hardware.

Regards Vyper
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: sunu on 08 Nov 2009, 08:13:49 pm
Nvidia has stated numerous times that cuda is not only a software thing (just extensions to a programming language) but a combination of software-hardware. And since Fermi is a new architecture bearing a new cuda version (3.0), it is more than likely that previous hardware won't benefit much if anything at all.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Vyper on 17 Nov 2009, 10:27:35 am
I found this on another site..

"Return values are as for all other cufftPlanXxx functions. Thus to plan
   a batch of 1000, 2D, double-precision, complex-to-complex transforms of
   size (128, 256), you would do:

       cufftHandle *myplan;
       cufftPlanMany(myplan, 2, { 128, 256 }, NULL, 1, 0, NULL, 1, 0, CUFFT_Z2Z, 1000);

   Note that for CUFFT 3.0, the layout of batched data must be side-by-side
   and not interleaved. The inembed, istride, idist, onembed, ostride and
   odist parameters are for enabling data windowing and interleaving in a
   future version."

A recompile and correction of the code seems to make the FFT part working in Cuda 3.0..

Kind regards Vyper
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 17 Nov 2009, 12:27:00 pm
Cheers for the warning... be some time before we need that, but handy.  (While Cuda 3.0 SDK is in registered developer status, it's indeed offering little worth to us until new hardware is released )
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 18 Nov 2009, 01:58:39 am
it is for free download for now ....
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Nov 2009, 03:42:02 am
it is for free download for now ....
where's that ?  (I only see it in registered developer area, they launching in the forums again ?  ::) )
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 18 Nov 2009, 04:41:08 am
yes in the forum only ...

btw have u know that intel has bought rapidmind ? (http://software.intel.com/en-us/data-parallel/)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Nov 2009, 06:23:35 am
...
btw have u know that intel has bought rapidmind ? (http://software.intel.com/en-us/data-parallel/)
  Ooh .. them's fighting moves, LoL.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 20 Nov 2009, 01:52:08 am
Quote
Note that for CUFFT 3.0, the layout of batched data must be side-by-side
   and not interleaved.

so it seems that we must rearrange data before fft to real parts and imaginary parts in rhe same array and after this doing it back ....
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 20 Nov 2009, 03:34:23 am
Quote
Note that for CUFFT 3.0, the layout of batched data must be side-by-side
   and not interleaved.

so it seems that we must rearrange data before fft to real parts and imaginary parts in rhe same array and after this doing it back ....
Well AFAICT without bothering to look much further, they've simply added stride parameters, which would just require examining the data arrangement & setting the strides for the appropriate format you want.  No doubt that makes some more advanced multidimensional FFTs easier to implement.  For our purposes it'll probably just be a minor annoyance, to be overcome with macro definitions or wrapper functions.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 26 Nov 2009, 11:20:42 pm
Hmm.. O.K., I saw nVIDIA released the new 195.62 driver.
For CUDA_V3.0 .

Where I could get CUDA_V3.0 , and I could update my current opt._CUDA_6.08_V12_app with CUDA_V3.0 ?

Maybe one of the opt. crew is again kind and take the two .dll's out of the 'DL pack' and publish it also in the DL area here?  :)
Or this CUDA_V3.0 must/should be 'modded' for SETI@home?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 27 Nov 2009, 04:47:37 am
Hi sutaru.  No significant speed advantage has been detected with 3.0.  The improvements are primarily directed at unreleased hardware.  We'll keep an eye on if the situation changes, but won't be rushing to build/release stuff for no advantage, or release SDK components under NDA (risking our nVidia licences. )
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 27 Nov 2009, 10:45:05 am
Thanks for reply! :)

Normally I don't like to use BETA software.
But.. if I know (and I know ;)), from where I could get the CUDA_V3.0_BETA - it would run well with the current opt._CUDA_V6.08_V12_app?
Or you would say.. no, better not to use CUDA_V3.0_BETA?

If CUDA_V3.0_final will be released in future, this two .dll's will be published in the DL area here?
It need to be modded, or just 'out of the box'?

I'm current with nVIDIA_driver_190.38. CUDA_V2.3 .
WinXP 32bit, 5x OCed GTX260-216. ;)
I would see a performance difference only with the new nVIDIA_driver_195.62 ?

AFAIK, new nVIDIA_driver are well for gaming people.
But, how it's with the only CUDA people? They profit from it also?

Sorry for my questions.. :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 27 Nov 2009, 03:22:02 pm
Quite OK Sutaru. I would say no point risking task cache (especially with current project difficulty) until there is GT300 based card in your machine  ;).  2.3 addressed a known cuda speed problem and helped us directly through the functions we use so made a big speed improvement. 3.0 doesn't, it adds more stuff we don't use (Yet, LoL  ;) ). 

Q: Do you currently run the GPUs flat out, and reschedule/kill VLARs? and leave CPU just mainly for feeding? If so I may have something worth for you to test soon, that may be a more important thing to study how it works. (after some school work is finished).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 28 Nov 2009, 09:01:23 pm
You didn't answered all my questions.  ;)


My GPU cruncher:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4789793
4x EVGA GTX260-216 SSC supported by AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE @ 3.0 GHz.
(nothing on CPU, 4x CUDA)

My QX6700:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=5069275
1x GIGABYTE GTX260(-216) SOC supported by Intel Core2 Extreme QX6700 @ 3.14 GHz.
(4x MB, 1x CUDA)
Here I use Fred's nice prog TThrottle, which increase the CUDA priority to 'normal'.
For max. GPU performance.  :D

TThrottle? Small look in my profile:  ;)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/view_profile.php?userid=8619447


How would be the test?
It's 'safe' for the hardware/software?  ;)
If PM, then please over the SETI@home site. There I'm every day..  ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 28 Nov 2009, 09:54:57 pm
Sorry Sutaru, normally If I don't answer something it's either because I don't know, or didn't understand the question.  In this case probably a bit of both plus many questions at once.

I don't mess with priority, so don;t have answers for those as to what's best.

The test would be for V13 hybrid which seems to work well, but some minor issues are not well understood.  It moves only the 'difficult' parts of pulsefinding to CPU, instead of rescheduling/killing VLArs.  When I have some free time to look at tests, I will PM yourself at s@h.  If it would work OK for you, then I would put it to beta soon.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 29 Nov 2009, 05:09:14 pm
Sorry, we misunderstood.
English isn't my motherlanguage. ;)

I posted my hardware for to show how I let run SETI@home.
I use TThrottle on the QX6700 + OCed GTX260-216 for to increase the CUDA priority (4x MB + 1x CUDA).
I don't know if it would be well (any profit) also for the GPU cruncher (4x OCed GTX260-216), for to let run 4x MB + 4x CUDA. (Because the GPUs would lose performance, and the CPU wouldn't have much for to compensate)
I calculated little bit around..  :-\

I have the following questions..
To hold it clear.. ;)


* You would use the current CUDA_V3.0_BETA ?
Because I see lot of people in the forum, which let run this.
Speed difference? Well for the opt._MB_6.08_V12_app ?

If ~ 2 % speed up, this would mean + ~ 1,000 RAC at my GPU cruncher. ;)


* I would see a speed difference between:
nVIDIA_driver_190.38 + CUDA_V2.3
and
nVIDIA_driver_195.62 + CUDA_V2.3

Normally nVIDIA release new driver for the gaming community.
The only CUDA community profit also from new driver versions?
(I don't mean, new driver for new CUDA version - this is clear.. ;))


Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 29 Nov 2009, 05:34:42 pm
....
I don't know if it would be well (any profit) also for the GPU cruncher (4x OCed GTX260-216), for to let run 4x MB + 4x CUDA. (Because the GPUs would lose performance, and the CPU wouldn't have much for to compensate
  Good.  No Cpus probably would be good for the test I have in mind.

Quote
* You would use the current CUDA_V3.0_BETA ?
Because I see lot of people in the forum, which let run this.
Speed difference? Well for the opt._MB_6.08_V12_app ?
,,,
         First initial alpha test would be an existing 2.3 build , susbsequent tweaking would likely be v3.0 Beta.

Quote
If ~ 2 % speed up, this would mean + ~ 1,000 RAC at my GPU cruncher. ;)
I dispute that the changes would amount to 2% consistently ... since Cuda tasks take such short time this 2% can be other natural variation.  The tests were done with short synthetic tests, which typically vary as much as +/- 5% depending on machine state & how long windows has been running.  There just aren;t any changes in cuda libraries we would use until fermi boards are available.

Quote
* I would see a speed difference between:
nVIDIA_driver_190.38 + CUDA_V2.3
and
nVIDIA_driver_195.62 + CUDA_V2.3

Normally nVIDIA release new driver for the gaming community.
The only CUDA community profit also from new driver versions?
(I don't mean, new driver for new CUDA version - this is clear.. ;))

For the driver change alone, I don;t think a change would be as noticable as V13 test, which should take some hard work the GPU has trouble doing away, and puts it on the CPU, with AKv8 code (like reschedule internally only the hard parts), while the fast bits still process on GPU. That should make Mid-high angle ranges ~same speed to a tiny fraction faster elpased, with little/no extra CPU use, while VLAR can process ~2x speed of AKv8 (depending on GPU & CPU ratio).

Reason for test: There are some things I need to understadn how this would work on faster cards/machines, that none of us here have the hardware to test.

Be prepared though If you might lose some cache by accident  :o

Jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 29 Dec 2009, 11:40:42 am
I think we have determined that the 195.62 nvidia driver is not the best thing to run on pre-Fermi cards.

Has anybody determined if there is any performance difference between the 190.62 (which is currently working very well for me) and the last pre-Fermi update 191.07?

I hate to break anything that is working, unless somebody has noticed an advantage in doing so.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pappa on 29 Dec 2009, 02:02:51 pm
I think we have determined that the 195.62 nvidia driver is not the best thing to run on pre-Fermi cards.

Has anybody determined if there is any performance difference between the 190.62 (which is currently working very well for me) and the last pre-Fermi update 191.07?

I hate to break anything that is working, unless somebody has noticed an advantage in doing so.

It appears to be working well on my 250 running over in Seti Beta... It is hard to say if it really has any "real" advanatage.

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 29 Dec 2009, 02:07:35 pm
look here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=56399&nowrap=true#953054
(in short, I see slowdown dor 195 but no difference for prev drivers)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 29 Dec 2009, 02:19:29 pm
look here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=56399&nowrap=true#953054
(in short, I see slowdown dor 195 but no difference for prev drivers)
Thank you so much for the link and the test, Raistmer.
I'll stick with the 190.62 then.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 21 Jan 2010, 02:15:29 am
And.. - now.. - ... ... (http://www.cheesebuerger.de/images/smilie/musik/d040.gif)

.. nVIDIA_driver_196.21 was published!

The opt. crew looked already what's new in this driver?

It's interesting for the CUDA cruncher out there?
Or I can continue with my 190.38 ?
191.x & 195.x showed slowdown on my OCed GTX260-216.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 21 Jan 2010, 04:05:49 am
Might be.  While I don't see mention of performance improvement in the release notes, It does mention fixes for Cuda recognising multiple 295's in Windows7 x64 & Vista x64, so that would help some people.

I suspect the performance hiit from the support iof beta Cuda 3.0 might still be there, but why not give it a try and let us know ? You're in the best position to check this out.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Devaster on 21 Jan 2010, 05:09:05 am
nothing special in compute performance - only changes in support for games - as i have it tested is the same in limits of statistical error ....
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 06 Mar 2010, 08:35:49 am
Note from nVidia;s facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIA?_fb_noscript=1

" NVIDIA  We are aware that some customers have reported fan speed issues with the latest 196.75 WHQL drivers on NVIDIA.com. Until we can verify and root cause this issue, we recommend that customers stay with, or return to 196.21 WHQL drivers. Release 196.75 drivers have been temporarily removed from our website. Thanks, and stay tuned for updates."
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 06 Mar 2010, 09:20:58 am
Thanks Jason
I got the 196.75 drivers on my gt240's
fan speeds seem fine to me so far, both running @ about 86% load @60-62 degrees and according to both GPU-Z and MSI Afterburner fan speeds are reported at about 16%
Not sure how this would affect the higher end cards, but I don't seem to have that issue    ;D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: HSchmirPo on 06 Mar 2010, 12:06:39 pm
My Card is the 295 and is on water. With the optimized drivers I always got VGA restarts with all releases up to 196.21 from nvidia.
Then I resetted the project and installed stock drivers through boinc and the nvidia 196.75. This is the end of the VGA restarts, wich always errored out the workunit.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 06 Mar 2010, 01:15:14 pm
I used to get the crashes as well especially on the 195 drivers.
Went back to the 191.07 drivers and problem solved
Thought I'd try thee 196.75 drivers as there seems to have been some stability work done by nVidia on this set - had them since thrusday and no crash yet - also reported problem of fan speed issues hasn't affected me
No improvement or reduction of speed either
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: HSchmirPo on 07 Mar 2010, 05:47:58 am
I have a second 295 card with nvidia driver  196.75  AND OPTIMEZED apps (Lunatics installer V0.2).
This card shows VGA restarts. So I think the optimized apps causes the card to restart.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 07 Mar 2010, 06:07:00 am
could be the higher end cards that this is affecting then
I run 2 GT240's on the 196.75 drivers and the opt apps and so far have had no problems
I've seen it mentioned here in another thread that its possible that the newer drivers work ok for the 240's
both my temps and fan speeds are normal with no crashes
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: HSchmirPo on 07 Mar 2010, 06:24:28 am
Yes, higher end cards.
I have a 285, 250, and a 8800 GTX, all with optimezed apps. None of them shows VGA restarts.
So I think I have to switch to the stockversion on the second 295 card.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 07 Mar 2010, 06:57:50 pm
Reading this thread, I am little confused.
Please tell me what will be fastest combination on my GT 9800 Green ( cuda 2.3)
Some says that optimal is 190.38, some other says 190.62 and also 191.07. It is clear that 195.62 is not fastest.
Thanks for reply
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: RottenMutt on 13 Mar 2010, 02:41:12 pm
I used to get the crashes as well especially on the 195 drivers.
Went back to the 191.07 drivers and problem solved
Thought I'd try thee 196.75 drivers as there seems to have been some stability work done by nVidia on this set - had them since thrusday and no crash yet - also reported problem of fan speed issues hasn't affected me
No improvement or reduction of speed either
are you running quad sli or higher?  i've got three gtx 295's, one in one rig and two in another, and am only able to get two optimized apps to run without what i call thrashing (invalid results and nvidia driver restarts).
can you get four stock gpu apps to run?
how much slower is the stock app?
i was able to get the quad sli rig to run three apps, but you could feel it trying to leave the kernel (not responding).
don't put your rig to sleep with the 196.75 drivers, this caused my fans not to run.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 13 Mar 2010, 02:45:24 pm
you could try latest opt CUDA MB build, x4 one, for your multy-GPU host. Maybe it will achieve more stable results (all GPUs could be loaded with maybe w/o crashes)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: RottenMutt on 13 Mar 2010, 02:58:04 pm
do you have any idea what is causing the optimized app to thrash.  currently i'm running the v.2 installer i believe.  what is the opt cuda MB build?
what is the speed difference between the stock seti cuda app and the optimized app, would four stock threads be faster then two optimized apps; what about the extra power for running four threads?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 13 Mar 2010, 03:41:02 pm
opt app reduces CPU load time (importand for fast GPU cards - less idle time) + has some tweaking of threshold where one or another pulcefinding kernel used.
+ few more little modification positively affecting speed.

Why it can result in driver crash - maybe because of changed threshold.

x4 build will lock each instance on separate core. It could help with GPU feeding in multi-GPU environment.

Another possibility of crash - AFAIK last available build from installer was compiled against CUDA 2.2 SDK, not 2.3 one. Usually it doesn't matters but maybe there is some subtle sync issue that shows up only on heavely loaded systems... Maybe it's worth to do build refresh versus SDK 2.3
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 02 Apr 2010, 01:06:05 pm
Maybe it's possible that someone DL the CUDA toolkit and publish only the CUDA V3.0 .dll's?

'developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_0 (http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_0_downloads.html)'

Maybe officially - someone of the opt. crew and here in the DL area?

Thanks! :)


BTW. nVIDIA driver 197.13 is already available.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 02 Apr 2010, 04:35:58 pm
Why?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 02 Apr 2010, 08:17:33 pm
Why?

For to make an 'easy test' of CUDA V3.0 and the newest nVIDIA driver..

Why to install a whole toolkit if I need only the two CUDA .dll's?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 03 Apr 2010, 05:08:15 am
I would have though it better to go the other way round - testers download the DLLs quietly and privately, make the tests, publish the results.

If there is significant improvement (as I found with v2.3), then publish the DLLs for general download and write instructions on how to install them and what preconditions apply.

But I think v3.0 was tested months ago, and found to have no benefit for current hardware/applications, so there was no need to waste time on the follow-up.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 03 Apr 2010, 08:24:45 am
How to get out two .dll's out of one DL file?
I need to install the whole toolkit.
I don't know what will be installed and where.

It was CUDA V3.0 BETA which was tested in past, right?

Now it's CUDA V3.0 (final). Nothing different?

IIRC, some people saw speed up with CUDA V3.0 BETA. Very small, but little bit.

So why not to publish CUDA V3.0 (final) .dll's and all people could make a test of their hardware?

Not needed to make an instruction, only like the CUDA V2.3 .dll's in the DL area.
So how I see, for CUDA V2.3 there isn't an instruction.
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=208

But, why an instruction, only for to copy two files in an folder? ;)


EDIT: BTW. Now is an other/newer nVIDIA driver available. Maybe this time it match better with the CUDA V3.0. ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 03 Apr 2010, 08:49:50 am
OK, here you are. These are the 32-bit v3.0.14 DLLs from the public toolkit, renamed and ready to drop into a project folder (didn't take long to download and unpack them, did it?)

You can test and report back. If your test report is convincing enough, I might even update my drivers to the newer, slower version! ;D  :P

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Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 03 Apr 2010, 11:21:00 am
Morning Richard,
I tried your 3.0 cudart and cufft files and updated to the latest 197.13 driver for my 9500GT. It immediately errored out 6 or 7 work units with exit code 1073741515.  I stopped BM and put 2.3 stuff back in and it is running fine.  I was running 195.62 and 197.13 seems to be running faster but it is only on the first work unit since I went back to 2.3. I will keep an eye on it and report back later after I've run a few.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 03 Apr 2010, 11:29:15 am
Google (s)he say: install Dot Net.

Not sure I believe it.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 03 Apr 2010, 11:59:32 am
I saw that too but I think I've already got dot net. I'll leave it like this for awhile and see how it does.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 03 Apr 2010, 02:27:46 pm
OK, here you are. These are the 32-bit v3.0.14 DLLs from the public toolkit, renamed and ready to drop into a project folder (didn't take long to download and unpack them, did it?)

You can test and report back. If your test report is convincing enough, I might even update my drivers to the newer, slower version! ;D  :P
Thanks a lot! :)

Will make the test soon.
Tomorrow I'll search eggs with my family in the garden.  ;)
Maybe Monday or Tuesday I'll install and after a few results I'll report how it was.


EDIT: BTW. I have not fast DSL, so I needed more time for DL.
After DL of the CUDA toolkit and execution of the .exe, what will happen?
Only an extract of the file in the folder, or also an installation of something?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 03 Apr 2010, 10:20:19 pm
I made my test before I gone out to the garden.. ;)

Hey, I was surprised!  :o
It's look like 197.13 is fast like 190.x (with CUDA V2.3).
I made a test with 190.38, 197.13 and 190.62 .

Maybe someone could confirm my result with some bench WUs?

BUT, if I copy the two CUDA V3.0.14 .dll files (with installed 197.13) in the project folder I get only errors.
Immediately, the BOINC Manager isn't longer useful. I needed to stop boinc.exe in TaskManager.

Example out of the stdoutdae..
Code: [Select]
Starting xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.26_1
Starting task xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.26_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 608
.. ~ 2 sec. after..
Computation for task xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.26_1 finished
Output file xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.26_1_0 for task xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.26_1 absent

After restart and UL/report I see:
Code: [Select]
Exit status -1073741515 (0xffffffffc0000135)

<core_client_version>6.10.18</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
 - exit code -1073741515 (0xc0000135)
</message>
]]>

So CUDA V3.0.14 don't work on my manufacturer OCed GTX260-216.
Why it don't work?
The MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_app don't fit together with CUDA V3.0 ?


Also I saw with 190.38 my GPU had ~ 850 MB free, after app init in <stderr_txt>.
The 197.13 driver let free ~ 860 MB. So ~ 10 MB less GPU RAM used from the CUDA app.

GPU-Z V0.4.0 say with 197.13, that 246 MB GPU RAM is used.
IIRC, before with 190.38 it was 252 MB.

Hmm.. what is better? ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 04 Apr 2010, 04:13:30 am
Solution is simple
rename cufft32_30_14.dll and cudart32_30_14.dll  to cudart.dll and cudafft.dll and replace it
then copy again but without rename
so in the end of process you will get
cudart32_30_14.dll
cudart.dll
cufft32_30_14.dll
cufft.dll

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 04 Apr 2010, 06:26:43 am
No, this wasn't the prob.  ;)
Richard was so kind and renamed the .dll's for easy usage.
Only extract of his attached file, copy to the project folder.

On your hardware the CUDA V3.0.14 work?
Which system?


EDIT: BTW. I have WinXP 32bit, SP3 - (if this is important)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 04 Apr 2010, 07:21:01 am
Yes I have two crunch machines both with 64 bit Win 7
One have 9800 green and another is GT 240 and both computing via cuda 3 dlls without problem
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 04 Apr 2010, 07:38:25 am
Yes I have two crunch machines both with 64 bit Win 7
One have 9800 green and another is GT 240 and both computing via cuda 3 dlls without problem

What's your experience on the speed question?

Edit - and did you try it with only one of the files doubled-up? I can see you would need a named copy of cudart32_30_14.dll, because cufft32_30_14.dll depends on it: but there's no reverse dependency. Does it matter that cufft32_30_14.dll depends on itself (???)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: MarkJ on 04 Apr 2010, 08:11:53 am
I wonder if it would be possible for one of the developers to compile it with the cuda 3 toolkit, so that way we get a true cuda 3 app to try.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 04 Apr 2010, 10:46:03 am
Yes I have two crunch machines both with 64 bit Win 7
One have 9800 green and another is GT 240 and both computing via cuda 3 dlls without problem

What's your experience on the speed question?

Edit - and did you try it with only one of the files doubled-up? I can see you would need a named copy of cudart32_30_14.dll, because cufft32_30_14.dll depends on it: but there's no reverse dependency. Does it matter that cufft32_30_14.dll depends on itself (???)

There is no difference in speed. I try all combination but only one that I wrote few post above worked. Both dll  MUST  be renamed and also in original name state. And if you dont trust me: try yourself: the only thing you will get will be few "computation error" results  :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 04 Apr 2010, 11:35:58 am
That's funny - I came to the board to post that

cudart32_30_14.dll
cudart.dll
cudafft.dll

is running just fine on host 3751792 (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3751792).

But no increase in speed.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 04 Apr 2010, 12:50:50 pm
Hmmm, interesting.

Ok, I took Richard's renamed files, copied them and renamed the copies back to the original 32_30_14.dll and put all four into my SAH folder. This time nothing errored out but one work unit that had started before I did this would not restart. I let it try for two or three minutes but the percent did not move. I suspended that one and the next in line started with no problem. For grins, I suspended that one and it went back to the first one. Again, after about two minutes it still had not started so I aborted it. It picked up on the second one where it had left off and is running fine so far.  As for speed, I seem to have sped up a few seconds with this new driver so I guess I shall stay with it.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 04 Apr 2010, 05:27:44 pm
Ohh well, maybe a stupid question.. :-[

How should look the app_info.xml?
What's needed to mentioned?

This would be well?
Code: [Select]
.
.
<file_info>
<name>MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_VLARKill_FPLim2048.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>cudart.dll</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>cudafft.dll</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
.
.
The same in the <file_ref> part?

Or I need to insert the other 2 file names, cudart32_30_14.dll and cudafft32_30_14.dll ?

Thanks! :)


BTW. Maybe we would see more speed up, if the current MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_app would be new compiled with the new CUDA V3.0 toolkit/or other prog?
I guess in near future it should be done for the new Fermi chips, or? But if we would see also speed up with the 'old' hardware?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 04 Apr 2010, 06:53:24 pm
Your app.info is OK, you dont need to change anything. It will work fine.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 05 Apr 2010, 02:46:45 am
IMPORTANT!
The .dll files must be named:
cudart.dll
cudart32_30_14.dll
cufft.dll
cufft32_30_14.dll

The fft files without 'da'!

If you write cudafft.., you will trash your DLed WUs.


Hey guys..
I thought I'm stupid.. I'm crazy..
I done this and this, tested this and tested this..
CUDA V3.0 didn't worked.

Then I 'installed' the CUDA toolkit V3.0 and saw that the .dll file is named different.
Like the CUDA V2.x .dll's.

Next time I'll not believe all immediately what I read.. ;)

Now it work 197.13 and CUDA V3.0.14 .
Will look how the calculation times are..
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: glennaxl on 05 Apr 2010, 05:41:46 am
You only need to duplicate the RT.
So it would be like this:
cudart32_30_14.dll
copy of cudart32_30_14.dll -> rename to cudart.dll
cufft32_30_14.dll -> rename to cufft.dll
(http://img.techpowerup.org/100405/CUDA_RT626.png)

Here's some good stuff. Some improvement (1%-2%) with 197.13 compared to my last test.

driver : 197.13
CPU: 100%
GPU: gtx 295 core 0

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Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 05 Apr 2010, 12:32:33 pm
But, ..maybe stupid question..  :-[
Why I need at least 3 .dll files of CUDA V3.0 instead of 2 like in past with CUDA V2.3?
If I don't count the libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll .

Why not useage only of cudart32_30_14.dll & cufft32_30_14.dll (original named) and change the entries in the app_info.xml?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 05 Apr 2010, 01:16:06 pm
Because the application (SETI MB CUDA) only knows the names "cudart.dll" and "cufft.dll".

But the new v3 cufft.dll expects to have "cudart32_30_14.dll" available.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: MarkJ on 06 Apr 2010, 09:02:37 am
Because the application (SETI MB CUDA) only knows the names "cudart.dll" and "cufft.dll".

But the new v3 cufft.dll expects to have "cudart32_30_14.dll" available.

If we can get it recompiled using the latest toolkit we wouldn't need to do this, although it would need testing. We might even be able to get a 64 bit version, although i'd doubt it would offer any speed advantages.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 06 Apr 2010, 02:39:17 pm
[...]
Here's some good stuff. Some improvement (1%-2%) with 197.13 compared to my last test.

driver : 197.13
CPU: 100%
GPU: gtx 295 core 0

Which nVIDIA driver you tested with CUDA V2.3?
I guess you used only 197.13 with CUDA V2.3 and CUDA V3.0.14 in your test, right?

I have the feeling that 197.13 + CUDA V3.0.14 is ~ 1 - 2 % slower than 190.x + CUDA V2.3.
Have someone tested this driver/CUDA combinations?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: glennaxl on 06 Apr 2010, 11:23:17 pm
Which nVIDIA driver you tested with CUDA V2.3?
I guess you used only 197.13 with CUDA V2.3 and CUDA V3.0.14 in your test, right?

My test was CUDA v2.3 vs CUDA v3.0.14 on MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_VLARKill_FPLim2048.exe
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 07 Apr 2010, 09:29:21 am
Which nVIDIA driver you tested with CUDA V2.3?
I guess you used only 197.13 with CUDA V2.3 and CUDA V3.0.14 in your test, right?

My test was CUDA v2.3 vs CUDA v3.0.14 on MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_VLARKill_FPLim2048.exe

I asked, because from my experiences and test of 190.x , 191.x and 195.x was 190.x the fastest nVIDIA driver (with CUDA V2.3).
196.x I didn't tested.

Now with 197.13 and CUDA V2.3 or V3.0.14 I'm sceptical that it's faster than 190.x + CUDA V2.3 .
It's look like the 197.13 + CUDA V3.0.14 is ~ 1 - 2 % slower than 190.x + CUDA V2.3 .

This sounds not much, but my OCed GTX260-216 have a RAC of ~ 15,000.
And ~ 1 - 2 % are ~ 150 - 300 Cr./day (RAC). This are two or four WUs/day less crunched.

So someone should make a test if 190.x + CUDA V2.3 or 197.13 + CUDA V3.0.14 is faster.

If someone would explain me how to make it with bench WUs, I would make this test in near future.
If someone could do this test faster/earlier as I, it would be also fine.. ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: glennaxl on 07 Apr 2010, 12:45:52 pm
To test grab KWSN Knabench 1.81(Raistmer's modified Benchmark Package (http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=236)

The quick and dirty  ;D method:
1) Make sure boinc is running then snooze the gpu leaving the cpu at 100%. (note: LAIM should be off)
2) Extract the KNAbench and prepare the science apps. Read the readme for further instructions
3) Modify Knabench181_nb.cmd -> look for "-verb -st" and append "-device N" where N is the gpu number  eg. "-verb -st -device 0" (note: there are 6 instances; its used for text output and parameter)
4) run Knabench181_nb.cmd
if you want to test N gpus at a time, just duplicate the knabench folder and modify the target gpu (-device N)

Long Method:
Make sure nothing is running in background; cpu is idle.
Number of CPUs = Number of KNAbench folder
Number of GPUs  = Number of KNAbench folder
so for q6600 and gtx 295 it would have 6 KNAbench folders
follow steps 2 & 3 above; step 3 for the gpu test folders
run Knabench181_nb.cmd for all folders
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Sutaru Tsureku on 09 Apr 2010, 05:10:16 pm
O.K., here we go..
It was not so easy to understand how to do it.. but I got it.. ;)

The result in short.. I don't know what's faster..  :D


The results on my QX6700 @ 3.14 GHz with manufacturer OCed GTX260-216:
[MB_6.08_CUDA_V12_VLARKill_FPLim2048.exe]
[only GPU calculation, CPU idle]
[fastest in yellow]


197.13 + CUDA 3.0.14

TaskName: PG0395.wu ------ TaskName: PG0444.wu ------ TaskName: PG1327.wu
47.578 secs Elapsed ----- 43.219 secs Elapsed ----- 31.391 secs Elapsed
16.203 secs CPU time --------- 15.609 secs CPU time --------- 14.922 secs CPU time


197.13 + CUDA 2.3

TaskName: PG0395.wu ------ TaskName: PG0444.wu ------ TaskName: PG1327.wu
47.078 secs Elapsed ----- 43.719 secs Elapsed ----- 32.375 secs Elapsed
16.250 secs CPU time --------- 15.813 secs CPU time --------- 15.547 secs CPU time


190.38 + CUDA 2.3 (1st run)

TaskName: PG0395.wu ------ TaskName: PG0444.wu ------ TaskName: PG1327.wu
47.078 secs Elapsed ----- 43.891 secs Elapsed ----- 32.453 secs Elapsed
16.469 secs CPU time --------- 16.172 secs CPU time --------- 16.078 secs CPU time


190.38 + CUDA 2.3 (2nd run)

TaskName: PG0395.wu ------ TaskName: PG0444.wu ------ TaskName: PG1327.wu
47.531 secs Elapsed ----- 43.063 secs Elapsed ----- 31.563 secs Elapsed
16.422 secs CPU time --------- 15.922 secs CPU time --------- 15.141 secs CPU time



The best would be to let run 3 or 5 runs per driver/CUDA version combis for to calculate the average. For to compensate 'runaway' results.
But, no.. not I again.. ;)
Who would like to do it? :)


EDIT: Or maybe also longer WUs for 'benching'?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: glennaxl on 15 Jun 2010, 11:49:59 am
Nvidia 257.21 drivers released today.

I havn't done any any benchmarks yet but for multiple gpu users (vista/7), you don't need to extend your desktop (using dummy plugs or real monitors). ALL cuda gpus will be detected.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: efmer (fred) on 15 Jun 2010, 01:03:16 pm
Nvidia 257.21 drivers released today.

I havn't done any any benchmarks yet but for multiple gpu users (vista/7), you don't need to extend your desktop (using dummy plugs or real monitors). ALL cuda gpus will be detected.
Nice, already used the beta drivers with these features, but maybe this release driver is even better. Was still a lot slower than to XP 64 version.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 15 Jun 2010, 02:03:41 pm
Nvidia 257.21 drivers released today.

I havn't done any any benchmarks yet but for multiple gpu users (vista/7), you don't need to extend your desktop (using dummy plugs or real monitors). ALL cuda gpus will be detected.
Well blow me......seems like nVidia have finally got their act sorted with these drivers
no problems installing over the top of the 257.15 beta drivers AND I can remove some of the cables plugged into my rig as I don't have to use a KVM to get both my nv cards working
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 15 Jun 2010, 02:33:10 pm
Trying out 258.19 now (Developer Driver)... Seems Good, time will tell.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Vyper on 15 Jun 2010, 03:54:31 pm
Trying out 258.19 now (Developer Driver)... Seems Good, time will tell.

Trying too ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 15 Jun 2010, 03:56:15 pm
Trying too ;)
See what you reckon.  'Feels' good, but slower Cuda (by quite a bit) I reckon.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Vyper on 15 Jun 2010, 06:35:53 pm
Well that's an old trick, how do you make your new generation faster when you can't? , You gradualy makes the older hardware slower by a tiny bit per driver version.. That's how you make people think that newer is so much better than the older..

Too bad that the car industry hasn't got to that point, but you might think what they could incorporate in the future too when the car is in for a service when a regular modern car has firmware upgrades as hell nowadays too :)

2 cents.

Kind regards Vyper
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: hellsheep on 06 Jul 2010, 02:09:54 am
I've been using the 257.21 drivers since release day. Upgraded from 197.something i haven't noticed any major performance increases, maybe by a few seconds here and there. The one thing i do like is the multi-gpu support without any dummy plugs and things like that. At least they finally got that part right. :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: IrishFBall32 on 06 Jul 2010, 09:36:55 am
Downloading 257.21 now... wonder what the chances are that this will allow service-mode installs on Win7/Vista, seeing as how they must have decoupled CUDA from the user mode drivers... (or I suppose maybe not)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: efmer (fred) on 06 Jul 2010, 09:54:29 am
Downloading 257.21 now... wonder what the chances are that this will allow service-mode installs on Win7/Vista, seeing as how they must have decoupled CUDA from the user mode drivers... (or I suppose maybe not)
Not very likely.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: chelski on 10 Jul 2010, 11:41:12 am
Have anyone been able to run the CUDA version on a Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100m with 256M memory?

Been trying to run the optimised app (via the Unified Installer) and both Cuda 2.3 and 2.2 versions tend to error out before completion.  Machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad T410, using driver 257.21 and OS is Windows 7 - I have switched it to classic mode in order to reduce video memory consumption (now round about 43M)

If anyone have any insights please let me know.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Gizbar on 10 Jul 2010, 01:37:20 pm
Have anyone been able to run the CUDA version on a Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100m with 256M memory?

Been trying to run the optimised app (via the Unified Installer) and both Cuda 2.3 and 2.2 versions tend to error out before completion.  Machine is a Lenovo Thinkpad T410, using driver 257.21 and OS is Windows 7 - I have switched it to classic mode in order to reduce video memory consumption (now round about 43M)

If anyone have any insights please let me know.

I think you'll have problems. The only time I got a 256Mb GFX card to work was on Windows XP 32. It was also running at 1280x1024 as the screen I had was only a 17" CRT at the time. The screen modes for Vista and Win 7 seem to require more memory, and not leave enough for the app to use...

Giz.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: chelski on 12 Jul 2010, 05:12:56 am
I think you'll have problems. The only time I got a 256Mb GFX card to work was on Windows XP 32. It was also running at 1280x1024 as the screen I had was only a 17" CRT at the time. The screen modes for Vista and Win 7 seem to require more memory, and not leave enough for the app to use...
Giz.
Thanks.  Guess there's nothing much that can be done about it, after playing around with various settings and Cuda version, it is a pity that the GPU have to remain idle
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 18 Jul 2010, 10:48:20 am
Can anyone tell me if the newest NVidia driver ( 258.96 ) will
let my GT220 and GTS250 cards crunch faster ? Currently
using  197.45 
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: ndblaikie on 20 Jul 2010, 09:28:39 am
From the post on the Seti forums at Berkeley, it seems that a lot of people have noticed a small decrease in crunch time for work units. So yes it should.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=60815
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Questor on 31 Aug 2010, 02:36:08 pm
I have just upgraded one Windows XP 64 PC (2 * GTX470) to using 258.96 drivers and noticed an odd behaviour.

Some CUDA Fermi tasks start normally, high CPU while loading data until they reach about 87MBytes of Windows memory and then drop down to 0% CPU utilisation. Elapsed and completion time then starts clocking up but progress remains at 0. Normal tasks use about 100Mbytes.

I have found a couple of tasks after a few hours like this - proably as a result of increased rsc_fpops_bound to overcome -177 errors.

Suspending the tasks allows a new task to start OK and progress so not a GPU problem. Unsuspending the task allows it to reload and it still sits there doing nothing.

This might have happened before the driver upgrade but thought I'd ask before dropping back to a previous version to see if it still occurs. I mainly upgraded to this version as it was highly recommended in the 0.37 Unified Installer readme.

I want to try out the new installer to try out the new CUDA app - might do that first to see if it behaves the same way.


John.

Edit: Changed to task to run on CPU and it errored out after a few seconds with a -9 result.
Shortly after another GPU task stopped with just over 8MBytes RAM used and no progress. Have also changed to CPU but not run yet.

Edit2: Installed 0.37 UI and allowed previous WU to rerun as CUDA task. The Lunatcs CUDA app errored out after about 30 seconds with a -12 error rather than hanging like the stock cuda_fermi app.
Second hung task also completed sucessfully with no errors (both running x32f preview)

1   21ap10aa.3011.1703.10.10.0
2   21ap10ae.28533.18063.7.10.171

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Fredericx51 on 01 Sep 2010, 05:42:27 am
I noticed an unexpected behavior from my GTX470! (QX9650+GTX470),  since memory-- and Cntr-- and GPU-LOAD, are low, I let  run 2 SETI MB (VLAR also), but now I'm seeing it runs a third tasks, a GPUGrid WU, also using the 470.
Running WIN XP64, BOINC 6.10.58, 'f' version of FERMI app. and SSSE3 optimized MB.
Will keep an eye, on this, OTOH, heard from several people, running 3 MB task's on 1 FERMI, isn't
 giving troubles and task's.

Hmm,  a second look reveils after 1 (or 2) second's,  both SETI MB tasks are pauzed, considering
necessary GPU--; Memory-- and MemCntr- Load ,  gets way too high, also too much difference between app.'s.
Anyway the Lunatics, made an excellent app, congratz to this great application.
 
So far no -9; or too much time passed, forgot the error-number ,  even at lower Angle Ranges
like 0.0106(AR), the 470 doesn't give problems.
I've the 257.21 drivers installed and CUDA 3.1. (3010)


Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Questor on 01 Sep 2010, 03:03:57 pm
I also had been running 2 tasks on the GTX470 using stcok app. After running the Lunatics app run for a day I have that alos happily running 2 tasks per GPU. (but not mixed with other project apps) Using the CUDA which came with the installer which says 3.0.14.

No repeat so far of the hung tasks and no -12s yet.

As you say, hat's off to the developers!


John.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: _heinz on 01 Sep 2010, 08:27:40 pm
Hi,
its no problem to running 4 tasks parallel on GTX470,
with latest unified installer.
change 0.5 to 0.25 does it
mine GTX470 in the V8-Xeon runs it already sucessful.

heinz
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Questor on 02 Sep 2010, 04:36:24 am
Hi,
its no problem to running 4 tasks parallel on GTX470,
with latest unified installer.
change 0.5 to 0.25 does it
mine GTX470 in the V8-Xeon runs it already sucessful.

heinz

What O/S are you using? I am using Win XP 32 & 64. I tried 3 tasks but the more you run in parallel the longer each one takes so it was less productive.


John.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: _heinz on 04 Sep 2010, 11:57:41 am
Hi,
its no problem to running 4 tasks parallel on GTX470,
with latest unified installer.
change 0.5 to 0.25 does it
mine GTX470 in the V8-Xeon runs it already sucessful.

heinz

What O/S are you using? I am using Win XP 32 & 64. I tried 3 tasks but the more you run in parallel the longer each one takes so it was less productive.


John.
OS Vista 64Bit Ultimate.
<count>0.25</count>
4 need ~38 - 40 min, that is 9,5- 10 min per wu(depending on ar)
___________________
<count>0.33</count>
3 need ~30 min, thats 10 min per wu(depending on ar), give a gpu load of 95 to 99 %
___________________
<count>0.5</count>
2 need still 12-16, 20-21min, 33-34 min,that is 6-8, 10, 17 min per wu(depending on ar), give a gpu load of 91-98%, memory controller load=43-54%
___________________
<count>1.0</count>
1 need 8-12 min, gpu load of ~68% memory controller load=34%
___________________
2 gives the min throughput time( ~8, 10, 17 min per wu, 180, 144, 84 wu's per day)
I will work now with 2 in parallel again, that seems the max output per day.
But throughput time is depending on ar, what sort of wu you get.
heinz

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: M_M on 07 Sep 2010, 02:14:19 pm
Can someone compare how fast is GTX460 comparing to GTX275 and GTS250 for SETI crunching? Is it worth upgrading?

I'm thinking of upgrading GTX275 (power hungry monster, over 220W) to faster and more power efficient GTX460 (around 160W), which I also expect to be faster (in games, it should be around 50% faster, but how much is it in SETI does anyone know?)

As I understand, SETI application is currently poorly optimized for Fermi architecture, am I right?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 07 Sep 2010, 02:34:49 pm
Can someone compare how fast is GTX460 comparing to GTX275 and GTS250 for SETI crunching? Is it worth upgrading?

Can't speak for the 275 or 250, but compared to my 260, the 465 crunches 2 VHARs at a time in around 5mins 30. Compared to my 260 crunching 1 at a time in around 3mins 30

I'm thinking of upgrading GTX275 (power hungry monster, over 220W) to faster and more power efficient GTX460 (around 160W), which I also expect to be faster (in games, it should be around 50% faster, but how much is it in SETI does anyone know?)

As I understand, SETI application is currently poorly optimized for Fermi architecture, am I right?

Thanks.
It's not just Seti that is poorly optimised for Fermi, it's brand new so all developers need time to get used to what the cards can do and where their limits are.
The new v0.37 installer contains the latest fermi compatible build from the Lunatics. It's cut out a lot of the -12 errors (almost non-existent now ;D) and has some minor optimisations included.
Jason has already posted that it is going to to take time to make full use of the new cards, but given that time it should just get better and better.

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Josef W. Segur on 07 Sep 2010, 07:23:13 pm
Can someone compare how fast is GTX460 comparing to GTX275 and GTS250 for SETI crunching? Is it worth upgrading?

I'm thinking of upgrading GTX275 (power hungry monster, over 220W) to faster and more power efficient GTX460 (around 160W), which I also expect to be faster (in games, it should be around 50% faster, but how much is it in SETI does anyone know?)

As I understand, SETI application is currently poorly optimized for Fermi architecture, am I right?

Thanks.

At SETI Beta, the Application details are now showing values for "Average processing rate" which are GFLOPS derived from actual MB task times, with the definition of a flop being based on the rsc_fpops_est values produced by the splitters. I was looking through the top hosts list there last week and gathered some of those values for a similar comparison, but not GTX275. Both GTX260 and GTX285 averaged about 170 running 6.09 cuda23, GTX460 about 250 runnning 6.10 cuda_fermi. I only found 5 of the 460s, 12 260s, and 13 285s so those numbers aren't very reliable. I also didn't make any attempt to judge whether some of the cards were overclocked.

There are some 275s there if you want to check when Beta's data-driven web pages are next available.
                                                                                       Joe
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 08 Sep 2010, 08:33:37 am
Here's a link to how nVidia rate their current cards
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/graphics_cards_buy_now_uk.html
Not sure how accurate it is but may give you an idea
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 08 Sep 2010, 10:57:08 am
Here's a link to how nVidia rate their current cards
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/graphics_cards_buy_now_uk.html
Not sure how accurate it is but may give you an idea

I'd say going from the cards on that list that I've used (more than a few), that it's a pretty reasonable ranking in terms of usage/gaming performance.  The newer cards at this stage are penalised a bit for crunching due to immature software,  so come out roughly equal IMO to the best of the prior gen, bit will slowly pull ahead.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Brodo on 12 Sep 2010, 12:13:56 am
Here's a link to how nVidia rate their current cards
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/graphics_cards_buy_now_uk.html
Not sure how accurate it is but may give you an idea
Interesting, I'm running a GTX285 and a GTX470 in the same box using V0.37. with no overclock I'm finding that the 285 is quicker by roughly a minute on a "standard" 0.4AR unit.
~11 mins for the 470 as against ~10m for the 285
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 12 Sep 2010, 10:38:17 am
I used to use a 295, and I was told that it was a very powerful card. The card alone was generating about 8000 RAC. I kept getting -1 errors, which as I am learning may have been due to the drivers that were available at the time. I gave the card to another cruncher, and he is having better luck with it using new drivers. My two 480's have demolished anything I was getting with the dual 295, so I consider them a very good choice. Perhaps by the time a dual 480 comes out I will have the money to buy a couple of them. I can always dream.....

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Fredericx51 on 13 Sep 2010, 05:08:26 am
Have installed/switched a GTX480 in stead of the 9800GTX+.

Quite a BIG difference, now running 3 SETI MB CUDA together, does take a lot of power to get it to
run, it has 1x 8 pin connector, 1 x6, both have to be used and be able to deliver 17A + 17A + 5- 8A via Mobo, also gets extremely hot, 85- 95C !
Had to switch PSU's to get it fed with enough power. Mobo and PSU appeared to 'light to get 2 (470) of them running on this Mobo!  :o

And the latest drivers, CUDA 3.1, think it can run even 4 SETI MB tasks at a time.
Now have a good reason to build another rig for the 470 ,  9800GTX+ (1.1 Compute Capabillity) doesn't work together with a 470 or 480, maybe Mobo related, but I'm not sure.

At GPUGrid you can clearly see how fast they are, running their latest WU's .



Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 13 Sep 2010, 06:26:07 pm
The 480's do run hot, but that's why I water cool them. I can over clock them to extremes and never see even 48C. I am currently running at 840 Mhz, with more room to play. Temps are 42 and 44C at the moment. I am running 2 wu's at a time, but perhaps experimenting when time permits can change that.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Fredericx51 on 14 Sep 2010, 05:31:51 am
Even on  'air -cooling' ,  the 480 can control temps, using the Fan Settings and according to NVidia's
Spec's, they are 'build' , to run quite hot.  (~100C !)
Have installed the 258.96 drivers, but it's hard to compaire anything a.t.m.  Can't even see any increase in runtime, going from 2 to 3 running parallel.  Also read, that's possible to run 4 at a time, thinking
of trying this, with stock settings.
Has anybody, with an 480 tried this and compaired runtimes, on WU's with about the same AR, f.i.
~0.4 and maybe also 0.1 or >1 ?

With SETI OnLine, it's much easier and I do hope the A/C unit failiar, hasn't done any serious damage.  Does anybody know, what the 'plan' is and when SETI is going online ?
Could be next friday, since the weekly maintenance, would have started today, anyway....... ::)

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 14 Sep 2010, 01:34:34 pm
new Beta driver is released http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/win7-winvista-64bit-260.63-beta-driver-uk.html version 260.63
Gonna give it a go and see what happens  ;D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 14 Sep 2010, 01:57:40 pm
new Beta driver is released http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/win7-winvista-64bit-260.63-beta-driver-uk.html version 260.63
Gonna give it a go and see what happens  ;D
Will be interested to see what you are able to find out.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 14 Sep 2010, 02:00:28 pm
Well the good news is it hasn't broken anything :D
Looks pretty similar so far, apart from a nicer looking installer, added support for the the 450 cards and some minor bug fixes doesn't look like a hell of a lot has changed
Gonna let the last 10 or so tasks I have run through then run some comparisons through using test wu's to see how these stack up against the 258.96 drivers
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 14 Sep 2010, 02:05:53 pm
My bet is the main reason for the release was the 450s.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 14 Sep 2010, 02:07:04 pm
My bet is the main reason for the release was the 450s.

... and possibly sneaking in Cuda 3.2 support before the programming tools are released.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 14 Sep 2010, 03:05:10 pm
So have done a couple of quick bench tests with both the 260.63 and the 258.96 drivers:

260.63
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG0009.wu :
Started at  : 19:39:37.231
Ended at    : 19:43:30.400
    233.103 secs Elapsed
     21.996 secs CPU time

258.96
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG0009.wu :
Started at  : 19:51:29.541
Ended at    : 19:55:14.693
     224.979 secs Elapsed
     19.672 secs CPU time

258.96 faster
--------------------------
260.63
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG0395.wu :
Started at  : 19:55:18.010
Ended at    : 19:56:11.311
     53.266 secs Elapsed
     14.680 secs CPU time

258.96
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG0395.wu :
Started at  : 19:43:33.480
Ended at    : 19:44:41.476
     67.938 secs Elapsed
     24.274 secs CPU time

260.63 faster
--------------------------------------------
260.63
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG0444.wu :
Started at  : 19:56:14.372
Ended at    : 19:57:00.696
     46.287 secs Elapsed
     14.648 secs CPU time

258.96
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG0444.wu :
Started at  : 19:44:44.563
Ended at    : 19:45:41.935
     57.314 secs Elapsed
     22.261 secs CPU time

260.63 faster
--------------------------------
260.63
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG1327.wu :
Started at  : 19:57:03.777
Ended at    : 19:57:41.241
     37.423 secs Elapsed
     14.196 secs CPU time

258.96
Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe -verb -nog -device 0 / PG1327.wu :
Started at  : 19:45:45.048
Ended at    : 19:46:31.642
     46.532 secs Elapsed
     19.765 secs CPU time

260.63 faster

----------------------------------------------------
Looks like overall 260.63 is faster by some margin! All wu's ran 1 at a time on my GTX465
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Frizz on 14 Sep 2010, 03:15:33 pm
... and possibly sneaking in Cuda 3.2 support before the programming tools are released.

Looks like ...

Code: [Select]
Number of platforms: 1
  Plaform Profile: FULL_PROFILE
  Plaform Version: OpenCL 1.0 CUDA 3.2.1
  Plaform Name: NVIDIA CUDA
  Plaform Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
  Plaform Extensions: cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_icd cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_nv_d3d9_sharing cl_nv_compiler_options cl_nv_device_attribute_query cl_nv_pragma_unroll

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 14 Sep 2010, 03:21:16 pm
Looks like ...

Sneaky, nothing in the release notes or published about this going in that I've been able to find
but I'm getting the same platform version of 3.2
Code: [Select]
G:\Apps\ATIStream\bin\x86_64>CLInfo.exe
Number of platforms:                             2
  Platform Profile:                              FULL_PROFILE
  Platform Version:                              OpenCL 1.0 CUDA 3.2.1
  Platform Name:                                         NVIDIA CUDA
  Platform Vendor:                               NVIDIA Corporation
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 15 Sep 2010, 03:01:17 am
Just downloaded the new beta driver and installed it on my XP x64 dual 465 rig.....
Will see if it seems to do better than the 258.96.

The installer is pretty........but who gives a rip as long as it works.

Note to some......
I had noted earlier that the 258.96 XP 32 bit version would install correctly on my Win2K Advanced Server rig....
No longer......get a popup saying a newer version of Windows is required.
So hang onto your archived version of 258.96 if you have some older OSs in your farm.
It appears that nvidia has now officially abandoned support of them.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 15 Sep 2010, 03:29:57 am
Sneaky, nothing in the release notes or published about this going in that I've been able to find

Ahh, maybe they did announce the launch. Just re-read the Nvidia newsletter:

Quote
New Releases of Parallel Nsight and CUDA Toolkit

NVIDIA today announced new versions of the industry-leading developer tools Parallel Nsight and CUDA Toolkit.
– Parallel Nsight v1.5 includes support for Microsoft Visual Studio 2010, Tesla Compute
   Cluster (TCC) debugging and CUDA Toolkit 3.2
– CUDA Toolkit v3.2 includes new math libraries, performance improvements and support
   for the new 6GB Tesla and Quadro products
– For an overview of new features, see: http://is.gd/f9hKn

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 15 Sep 2010, 04:17:29 am
WoW! Great news indeed! In presentation they speak about FFT library performance improvement. If it's overall improvement (for all FFT types) it should directly increase CUDA MB
performance. (30% improvement in cuFFT if I heard it right)

ADDON: interesting info about Tesla's. If they would provide drivers to use secondary NV GPU in "tesla" mode (that is, separate driver, not graphics one) it would give great overhead reduce for GPUs too...
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 15 Sep 2010, 04:26:42 am
Nah, It's only prime sizes, so don't get too excited  :D.  There are many fixes & small speedups over 3.1 though, where 3.1 was not usable for general release but 3.2 looks like it might be.  That will allow some good stuff down the road.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 15 Sep 2010, 05:15:15 am
And some bad news - analyser (profiler?) will be included only in professional ($349) version of NSight , standart (free) version has only debugger :/
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Fredericx51 on 15 Sep 2010, 09:10:05 am
Hi, another  Fund Raise, maybe, if it's really necessary  ::) ?

(Just got my 470 and 480 (GTX) working). On an ASUS P5E Mobo and 850Watt PSU.
A bit of topic....... ;D



Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 15 Sep 2010, 12:11:22 pm
And some bad news - analyser (profiler?) will be included only in professional ($349) version of NSight , standart (free) version has only debugger :/

Nah, cuda visual profiler is part of the toolkit/SDK.  nSight has more advanced stuff like visual studio interopability. 
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 16 Sep 2010, 12:25:46 pm
Any sightings of 3.2 yet?

EDIT.....
Answered my own question....I see the 3.2RC SDK is on the nvidia site now.........
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Vyper on 16 Sep 2010, 12:34:11 pm
Any sightings of 3.2 yet?

Well the sighting seem to be in the 260x driver set for sure.

I also recieved an nvidia email that they have released 3.2 for developers now stating speed improvements in CUFFT radix and CUBLAS for fermi architecture.
This was something i read too in the readme amongst deprecated functions:
CUFFT supports batched transforms > 512 MB , The previous version of CUFFT failed when (batch size * transform size * datatype size) for a 1D single-precision transform exceeded 512MB. This has been fixed so that now the total size can be as large as the device memory capacity allows

As we saw earlier we got some speed boosts running latest drivers also with plain Cuda 3.0 code too so i'm about to try the later driver set on my 460 card to see if true workunits benefit it also compared to the quick WUs.

Kind regards Vyper
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 16 Sep 2010, 12:40:24 pm
Ok, is there any good reason for us non-fermi types to go for this new driver before it comes out for everybody? Do you guys need any testing from us on this or can we just go back to sleep and wait for it?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Vyper on 16 Sep 2010, 12:45:08 pm
Ok, is there any good reason for us non-fermi types to go for this new driver before it comes out for everybody? Do you guys need any testing from us on this or can we just go back to sleep and wait for it?

I don't know yet, the best thing is to run a set of benches before and after upgrading to the newer driver set.
Since i don't want to experiment with my own main host which runs 295's i too have to wait and see what other finds out.

But best thing is to run knabench and compare the timings and post here in the forum so we know..

Regards Vyper
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 16 Sep 2010, 04:11:37 pm
I'd suggest the WHQL are the way to go for the moment, though there are some benefits in the beta drivers.  When I switch to Cuda 3.2 you'll need to update, but that won't happen until this weekend at the earliest.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 16 Sep 2010, 05:37:46 pm
Is this going to be as simple as dropping the new dlls into the existing installation with the new driver in place?
If so, somebody post the new dlls and I can give it a go.
I have the new beta driver running on my dual GTX295 and my dual GTX465 rigs.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 16 Sep 2010, 06:07:21 pm
Hi Mark,
   Short answer: No.

Long answer:
   Cuda SDKs & Libraries from 3.0 onwards are 'strongly versioned'.  That means apps built with a certain SDK are meant to be used with certain DLLs.  The New SDK with New DLLs will require a new App.
I would not advise playing swippy swappy with DLLs, as was possible in the past.  You could get lucky and it works, but if you break it you own both parts  ;)  Also, the 3.2 SDK is so far accessible to registered developers only, and is under NDA, so no-one will be posting Cuda 3.2 DLLs around here while I'm on watch  ;D

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 16 Sep 2010, 06:16:22 pm
Hi Mark,
   Short answer: No.

Long answer:
   Cuda SDKs & Libraries from 3.0 onwards are 'strongly versioned'.  That means apps built with a certain SDK are meant to be used with certain DLLs.  The New SDK with New DLLs will require a new App.
I would not advise playing swippy swappy with DLLs, as was possible in the past.  You could get lucky and it works, but if you break it you own both parts  ;)  Also, the 3.2 SDK is so far accessible to registered developers only, and is under NDA, so no-one will be posting Cuda 3.2 DLLs around here while I'm on watch  ;D


Short response: OK, mate.

Long response:  Understood......I did not realize that NDA applied, I would not ask anybody to break that here.
I will hold my kibble until you guys play with it a bit and nvidia makes it freely available.
I was going offa the last experience we had when a simple dll upgrade made lots more crunching.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 16 Sep 2010, 06:27:23 pm
LoL,
   Yeah I strongly suspect. it's that DLL swippy-swappying going on all over the place that prompted nVidia to make the changes. I can imagine all the nVidia call-centre help desk people being fooded with 'My Cuda broke' calls because 2.2 & 2.3 weren't 100% functionally identical, but worked for most purposes with 2.3 DLLs under 2.2 or earlier builds with increased performance.

It's pretty hard to diagnose what the problem is if something crashes, when the app was built with some Cuda version, but the libraries are goodness knows what version.

A quick rebuild on the weekend should indicate if something should be put through express testing ready fior 3.2 release.  I'm guessing at this point it might be able to wait until a bit more streamlining & fine tuning is done, as I'm not expecting a huge difference,, but never know, I've been surprised before.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 16 Sep 2010, 06:33:28 pm
Best of luck with it......
You can PM me if you want me to give it a go.

Meow meow.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 16 Sep 2010, 06:36:54 pm
Yeah, what Mark said!  You know me, always running around here in a state of mass confusion but willing to try!   ;D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 16 Sep 2010, 08:46:42 pm
Interesting, with the 268.63 beta driver I'm seeing a change in the stable overclock (a tad higher than before) and now it seems to prefer 3 tasks at a time with the x32f app (instead of 2 before).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 17 Sep 2010, 03:27:57 am
Interesting, with the 268.63 beta driver I'm seeing a change in the stable overclock (a tad higher than before) and now it seems to prefer 3 tasks at a time with the x32f app (instead of 2 before).

looks promising to start seeing Fermi coming into it's own then and delivering on its expectations ;)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 18 Sep 2010, 10:35:38 am
I have been using this driver for a couple of days now. Crunching it seems fine. It did start a regular USB tick to my steering wheel. I have a force feedback steering wheel, and about every second one of the LED's flickers. When I had the power connected, it pulsed the motor CCW. I may be able to track down a cause later, but for now with the PSU unplugged, it's not a problem. I have noticed my GPU's are running a little bit hotter. Instead of 42 to 45C, they are running 46 to 48C. I am running two tasks each, so I will try for 3 and see what happens. Clock speeds are still at 840 MHz.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 18 Sep 2010, 10:54:56 am
I just installed the latest Logitec driver and software, and the tick went away. I am now crunching with 3 wu's per 480 and so far everythibng is stable.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 19 Sep 2010, 09:11:00 am
have just checked my GPU usage after changing to the 260.63 drivers - seems I'm only getting about 60% usage running 2 tasks at a time
Have just changed to 3 at a time - hitting 95% now using the x32f build and times seem to be about the same as running 2 at a time
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 20 Sep 2010, 06:37:20 pm
have just checked my GPU usage after changing to the 260.63 drivers - seems I'm only getting about 60% usage running 2 tasks at a time
Have just changed to 3 at a time - hitting 95% now using the x32f build and times seem to be about the same as running 2 at a time


I agree with everything Ghost said. I am getting the exact same thing. No reall difference in time from 2 to 3 units, and utilization is the same as Ghost indicatred.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 20 Sep 2010, 06:42:46 pm
Going to have to start thinking about water cooling this 480  :-\
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 22 Sep 2010, 06:45:33 am
have just checked my GPU usage after changing to the 260.63 drivers - seems I'm only getting about 60% usage running 2 tasks at a time
Have just changed to 3 at a time - hitting 95% now using the x32f build and times seem to be about the same as running 2 at a time

Do you accounting for GPU idle startup time in some way?
This delay can be hided by running few tasks per GPU and the more tasks running simultaneously the better (until no performance degradation in GPU part per se).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 22 Sep 2010, 08:26:51 am
Do you accounting for GPU idle startup time in some way?
This delay can be hided by running few tasks per GPU and the more tasks running simultaneously the better (until no performance degradation in GPU part per se).
Hadn't thought of that
running two tasks at a time the startup time is ~20 seconds - will have to chek what the start up time with 3 at a time is when I get back home
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Questor on 22 Sep 2010, 08:38:28 am
What are you all using to show GPU utilization? I use EVGAPrecison which with one task running per GPU shows about 92% utiization and with 2 shows 99%. 3 still shows shows  99%.

I am running WindowsXP64. I had seen suggested that the XP driver model doesnt allow the GPU to properly multitask. I assume you are all running Vista/Win7.

Am I finally going to have reluctantly ditch XP ......


John.
PS Have just installed the 260.63 drivers before getting these results but about the same on the previous 258.96.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 22 Sep 2010, 10:51:43 am
I use a combination of EVGAPrecision and GPU-Z depending on what i am doing, I'm using Win7x64 and getting around 96% utilisation running 3 tasks
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 22 Sep 2010, 11:54:42 am
On my 460 I am seeing about 90% utilization running one task, I am also on XP Pro/64.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 22 Sep 2010, 05:29:41 pm
I am using MSI afterburner to monitor GPU usage. My times to reload a wu while running 3 wu per card is 12 seconds. I seem to have dropped to about 80% utilization running 3 wu's, but the times are imostly 22 minutes with a few going over 30.  My usage was up near 99%, so I don't know why it dropped off. My GPU core voltage was at 1.038V stock, and I am now running at 1.063 Volts.

PS. Does any body else have a hard time typing with a cat crawling all over you and the keyboard?

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 22 Sep 2010, 07:40:03 pm
I kicked it up a notch. 845 MHz. I like this driver.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Questor on 22 Sep 2010, 08:29:59 pm
I had MSI afterburner installed also and it read the same as EVGAPrecison but the big display is a bit easier to read.

On 260.63 machine with 1 task on the GPU the utilisation varies between say 86 to 95 (mostly around the 90% mark)
With 2 tasks pretty much flatline at 98/99%

On 258.96 machine with 1 task on the GPU the utilisation varies between about 90 to 97 (mostly around 95% mark)
With 2 tasks pretty much flatline at 98/99%

I think I've a licence for Vista somewhere - I'll install that and see how it compares when I get a chance.

Need to get some proper timings first. Unfortunately as I switched between 1 and 2 tasks it chose different tasks to run so difficult to compare.


John.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Fredericx51 on 27 Sep 2010, 04:33:03 am
Not very lucky, getting mostly VLAR tasks, marked _vlar, so nothing to do for the FERMI's except GPUGrid and Einstein.
And still using the  258.96. drivers, giving a better response, no 'lag' or late response from the mouse or
keyboard.

Since a lot of Einstein tasks, which errorred out, after I made an mistake in the app_info.xml, were
resend, I can do them again.......

 
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: M_M on 09 Oct 2010, 01:41:35 pm
I have upgraded to 260.63 drivers, including nvcuda.dll (CUDA 3.2.1), supposed to be much better optimized for fermi then existing CUDA 3.0.

From app_info.xml I see that Lunatics_x32f_win32_cuda30_preview.exe is probably using it own (CUDA 3.0) dll's, cudart32_30_14.dll, cufft32_30_14.dll, libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll. Is there somewhere a CUDA 3.2.1 version of such dll's? Shall we soon expect 0.38 unified installer and optimized application based on cuda 3.2.1?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 09 Oct 2010, 02:06:06 pm
DLL swapping is not advised as was practical in the past.  Nvidia has made them 'strongly versioned' as of recently, so jiggering things to use libraries other than what the application was built with is an 'at your own risk' affair... and is not guaranteed to work or be stable.

Cuda DLLs are, as always, found in the respective Cuda SDK.

There are a lot of improvements in Cuda 3.2, and I intend to make builds with it, though the benefits are mostly feature additions rather than performance of existing code, and use of these new features is yet to be implemented here.  We skipped Cuda 3.1 because of specific bugs, which apparently are resolved in 3.2.  That will allow development to continue, where it had stalled with Cuda 3.1 issues, forcing a return to Cuda 3.0.

Since the features that Cuda 3.2 adds require further development to make use of, it'll be 'a while' before any new release uses it.  Not a lot of point making Cuda 3.2 builds that are the same speed as teh Cuda 3.0 builds & don't use the new features  ;)  Using those will take time.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Zeus Fab3r on 10 Oct 2010, 07:11:03 am
I have upgraded to 260.63 drivers, including nvcuda.dll (CUDA 3.2.1), supposed to be much better optimized for fermi then existing CUDA 3.0.

Pa mogao si i mene da pitaš ;D Jason ti je sve lepo odgovorio, nema više kao nekad skineš dll-ove i baciš u folder. Ja još uvek ne mogu da provalim ima li ikakve vajde da sa GTX260/191.07/cuda2.3 prelazim na 2xx.xx drajvere i x32f. Brzina je verujem ista a jedino se manje javljaju -12 greške. Nego kad pre nabavi Fermi ?¿  :o

pozz, ZF

[edit]sorry guys, it's my fellow countryman[/edit]
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: MarkJ on 16 Oct 2010, 01:43:35 am
<snip>

Since the features that Cuda 3.2 adds require further development to make use of, it'll be 'a while' before any new release uses it.  Not a lot of point making Cuda 3.2 builds that are the same speed as teh Cuda 3.0 builds & don't use the new features  ;)  Using those will take time.

Jason

Would a cuda 3.2 version without any additional code changes make sense for the Fermi guys? Given the supposed speed increases on Fermi perhaps it might be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 16 Oct 2010, 03:20:29 am
Would a cuda 3.2 version without any additional code changes make sense for the Fermi guys? Given the supposed speed increases on Fermi perhaps it might be worthwhile.

Without additional code changes, probably not, or at least not much.  That's because the reported speed increases are primarily double precision and weird sized FFTs (which we don't use)

Having said that, after some downtime due to health, and issues migrating development enviroment to use some newer tools, I'm *almost* back up to continuing development.  There are new features in Cuda 3.2 to look at that will help on both Fermi and earlier gen cards,  considerable work on other areas of the code still to be done, and I beleive Raistmer has some other improvements from the OpenCL that may be applicable for incorporation.

So slow progress, but fairly solid nontheless.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Oct 2010, 07:49:47 am
Just been doing some long-overdue maintenance on my hosts, during the outage. Found an oddity on the NVidia driver download page.

NVidia UK (GBR) is offering 160.89 WHQL, released today, as recommended for GeForce 9, XP. But when you click through, it's still described as Beta, released last week. And the US site can't find it at all. Anybody got any experience with it yet, or should I stay one step behind?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Oct 2010, 07:53:58 am
Hi Richard,
   160.89 is current WHQL according to the advanced search page: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

Given the mentioned release date is 18th October, My guess is they may even still be in the process of uploading it & editing the pages.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Oct 2010, 07:57:50 am
That's what I saw, but the search result doesn't match the download page.

They don't usually keep the same version number for Beta and WHQL, do they? Just wonder if there were any clues from your developer area access.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Oct 2010, 07:58:30 am
That's what I saw, but the search result doesn't match the download page.

They don't usually keep the same version number for Beta and WHQL, do they? Just wonder if there were any clues from your developer area access.
  None that I saw, but checking again anyway...

[Edit:]  Nothing since Cuda 3.2 Release Candidate, which was issued ith 260.61 'development drivers'. 
My guess is 260.89 is primarily just a stopgap release for introduction of GTS 450 & GT 430 cards.  Haven't fully read the release notes yet though.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Miep on 18 Oct 2010, 08:05:38 am
I think somebody might be hangover over there ;D
I get this from the main DL search:

Verde Notebook Release 260 
Version: 260.89 WHQL
Release Date: 2010.10.14
Operating System: Windows Vista, Windows 7
Language: English (U.S.)
File Size: XX MB 
 
Note File size XX and release date 14th (beta/archive says 18th) ;D
I'll let them sort that out before I grab it. Need to backup anyway before I mess with the driver...

Is Cuda 3.2 officially out then?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Oct 2010, 08:06:56 am
OK, I'll leave it until the US have woken up and the coffee has kicked in - they'll probably sort it out then. Plenty of M$ patches to be getting on with.

This is my debt graphing machine, which, once v6.12.3 is out, will be asked to run stable for the next six months or so. So I want to get it all done right in one go.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Oct 2010, 08:11:17 am

Is Cuda 3.2 officially out then?


Not, according to http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_archive.html - still the RC from last month. But maybe they're planning to sort that out after coffee, too.  ;D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Oct 2010, 08:17:50 am
Is Cuda 3.2 officially out then?

Not, according to http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_archive.html - still the RC from last month. But maybe they're planning to sort that out after coffee, too.  ;D

I'd say so.  That RC was originally available through registered developer channels only, but seems publicly accessible now.  Probably it remains tagged with RC because 'we've' yet to find issue with it... So not a lot of point renaming everything & potentially breaking something that seems to work.

It supposedly fixes the problem in Cuda 3.1 that Ghost and I were able to isolate with Mixed Fermi/Pre-Fermi cards (That I had an open ticket on, yet for us to verify.).  So it'll have some tasty features to make use of (Fermi especially, but pre-Fermi also) over the last usable release for production builds (3.0).  It's quite a technobbery jump though, so it's going to take 'more than a quick rebuild' to use all that stuff.

[Edit:] handiest page in NVida's site is http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_archive.html  ,  3.2RC is in the latest release section along with poor broken 3.1 (pretty obscure breakage, I know  ::)).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Oct 2010, 08:42:12 am

[Edit:] handiest page in NVida's site is ....


... the one I linked? :P
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Oct 2010, 09:18:37 am
... the one I linked? :P

Yes, and I quoted.  So just shows how vauable I think it is  :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Oct 2010, 09:35:40 am
The UK download page for XP has been updated to show 160.89 (English, international) as WHQL - both in the description and the filename. I'll give it a try.

Edit - likewise Win7
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 18 Oct 2010, 10:58:13 am
Guys, what are we talking here? I've got 258.96 and you're saying 160.89? Are we going backward? Is there any really good reason for me to grab it for my little 9500GT?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Oct 2010, 10:59:38 am
260.89.  I think it may be pre-coffee post weekend hangover time in the UK, for UK nVidia guys, and possibly for Richard's fingers.

[Edit:]
Quote
... any really good reason for me to grab it for my little 9500GT?
  258.96 were good drivers,  260 range seem improved to me in some general aspects, so IMO worth a try.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Oct 2010, 11:14:44 am

260.89.  I think it may be pre-coffee post weekend hangover time in the UK, for UK nVidia guys, and possibly for Richard's fingers.


My fingers - possibly aggravated by lack of coffee. Read that as 260.89, throughout.

I knew it was a bad idea to take up posting again
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 18 Oct 2010, 11:23:23 am
Okay, I've downloaded it, now for the dummy questions. One, will it interfere with my app_info in any way that I would have to change? Two, it says on the download page that it now has an option to remove older drivers, should I do this? I've always just installed over top of my old drivers and not had any problem. I do know to exit boinc completely before I do this. Three, I'm running 6.10.58, would there be any reason to go to 6.12.2 while I'm at it? I'm kinda avoiding that right now until they figure out what they are going to do with the messages and notices.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 18 Oct 2010, 01:18:34 pm
Okay, I've downloaded it, now for the dummy questions. One, will it interfere with my app_info in any way that I would have to change? Two, it says on the download page that it now has an option to remove older drivers, should I do this? I've always just installed over top of my old drivers and not had any problem. I do know to exit boinc completely before I do this. Three, I'm running 6.10.58, would there be any reason to go to 6.12.2 while I'm at it? I'm kinda avoiding that right now until they figure out what they are going to do with the messages and notices.

Hi Perryjay,This is what I found when I installed these drivers:
Didn't have to modify the app_info and I didn't bother removing the old drivers (couldn't be bothered to setup my ntune profile again) and it runs as good as the old drivers did.
I'm still on 6.10.58 at the moment as I'm testing something, and apart from the benefit of the backup project change can see no reason to swap over to 6.12.2 just yet
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 18 Oct 2010, 01:29:54 pm
Okay, I've downloaded it, now for the dummy questions. One, will it interfere with my app_info in any way that I would have to change? Two, it says on the download page that it now has an option to remove older drivers, should I do this? I've always just installed over top of my old drivers and not had any problem. I do know to exit boinc completely before I do this. Three, I'm running 6.10.58, would there be any reason to go to 6.12.2 while I'm at it? I'm kinda avoiding that right now until they figure out what they are going to do with the messages and notices.

Hi Perryjay,This is what I found when I installed these drivers:
Didn't have to modify the app_info and I didn't bother removing the old drivers (couldn't be bothered to setup my ntune profile again) and it runs as good as the old drivers did.
I'm still on 6.10.58 at the moment as I'm testing something, and apart from the benefit of the backup project change can see no reason to swap over to 6.12.2 just yet
Keep in mind that the 'project backoff' times in the newer versions of Boinc are INSANE.
If you want to try to keep things going when server connectivity is poor, they will cripple you.

I know it's about trying to shield the servers when they are having difficulty, but Jesus.....
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: BANZAI56 on 18 Oct 2010, 05:02:17 pm
NVidia UK (GBR) is offering 160.89 WHQL, released today, as recommended for GeForce 9, XP.

Do y'all mean 260.89 rather than 160.89?



I wouldn't ask other than I'm having SETI computation issues with my 9500GT W2K rig at 257.21 with the 0.37 installer.  :(

(e non-optimized Collatz is still running fine on the GPU tho.)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: JohnDK on 18 Oct 2010, 05:13:19 pm
NVidia UK (GBR) is offering 160.89 WHQL, released today, as recommended for GeForce 9, XP.

Do y'all mean 260.89 rather than 160.89?



I wouldn't ask other than I'm having SETI computation issues with my 9500GT W2K rig at 257.21 with the 0.37 installer.  :(

(The non-optimized Collatz is still running fine on the GPU tho.)


I'm sure it's 260.89, that's the version I'm downloading now.

But for the computation errors, have you used 0.36 installer? I would think that's the problem more than the Nvidia drivers.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 18 Oct 2010, 05:21:53 pm

But for the computation errors, have you used 0.36 installer? I would think that's the problem more than the Nvidia drivers.

I haven't seen a lot of computation errors with the new 0.37 installer, would be suprised if the installer was causing this.
The x32f build is a lot more stable and produced less errors than the previous cuda build in Beta testing - what errors are you getting?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: JohnDK on 18 Oct 2010, 05:43:19 pm

But for the computation errors, have you used 0.36 installer? I would think that's the problem more than the Nvidia drivers.

I haven't seen a lot of computation errors with the new 0.37 installer, would be suprised if the installer was causing this.
The x32f build is a lot more stable and produced less errors than the previous cuda build in Beta testing - what errors are you getting?

Didn't have errors when I tried 0.37 (I do use stock 6.09 now since it's faster on my PC). The reason I suggested trying 0.36 was more be course I just thought it's being more likely, solely based on a feeling :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 18 Oct 2010, 06:02:08 pm

Didn't have errors when I tried 0.37 (I do use stock 6.09 now since it's faster on my PC). The reason I suggested trying 0.36 was more be course I just thought it's being more likely, solely based on a feeling :)

Could be possible of course, if app_info is incorrect or file missing/corrupt from project folder - all really depends on what errors the cuda tasks are giving
I'm running the x32f build and the 260.89 drivers so may be worth BANZAI56 upgrading the drivers and re-running the installer to double check everything is correct
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 18 Oct 2010, 06:28:12 pm
So far so good. I just installed it, and seem to be stable at 750 Watts. I have no issues yet.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: glennaxl on 18 Oct 2010, 06:48:12 pm
With 260.89 on gtx 295, I can't seem to disable SLI but its crunching pretty well though.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 18 Oct 2010, 06:49:42 pm
Interesting, I just had a driver recovery, and three wu's errored out. I am not sure if they were on the same card, as I can't tell from the elapsed time. It looks like 2 from one card, and one from the other.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 18 Oct 2010, 08:31:03 pm
No other issues. Things have been running fine since the driver reset. I am not sure what happened, but all is OK.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 19 Oct 2010, 09:17:38 am
Installed the new driver. Nothing to report. Chose the express install, it did it's thing with no problem. It didn't ask for a reboot after install but I did one anyway just for grins. Ran all night with no problems and is just chugging away doing it's thing. Hope SETI gets things going again. Still have a couple of days worth of work but not sure I can make it to Friday.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Fredericx51 on 20 Oct 2010, 05:32:32 am
After constant random conflicts/stops with a GTX470 & 480, I removed, for now, the 470. Maybe PSU issue or Mobo related. (Chipset=X38)
(Driver related?) 258.96? Works OK now, 480 is doing 2 at a time. No stops.







Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 20 Oct 2010, 10:35:27 am
After constant random conflicts/stops with a GTX470 & 480, I removed, for now, the 470. Maybe PSU issue or Mobo related. (Chipset=X38)
(Driver related?) 258.96? Works OK now, 480 is doing 2 at a time. No stops.

Probably not driver related. Could have been a bit too much for your PSU or it could have been heat related. Maybe the next step would be to try the 470 by itself to see if it is okay. If it is, then put the 480 back in and closely monitor the temps you are getting. If the temps stay in a good range but the conflicts start back up it is probably the PSU not quite up to snuff.

You didn't mention if it was just one or both units that were giving you trouble. If it's just one of them try switching them around between the PCI slots. Could be one of them is bad or loose fitting.








Quote
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 24 Oct 2010, 05:56:39 am
For anyone who hasn't noticed, Catalyst 10.10 is out, and there's a new version complete with OpenCL driver:

AMD Catalyst™ Accelerated Parallel Processing (APP) Technology Edition 92.1 MB 10.10 10/22/2010 
Description:

Package Includes:
  Display Driver
  OpenCL Driver
  ATI Integrated Driver
  Catalyst Control Center
  (English Language Only)
  For the 64 bit version of Windows Vista and Windows 7

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 24 Oct 2010, 06:02:31 am
interesting :)
What AP and MB crunch times with mew Cat ?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 24 Oct 2010, 06:08:54 am
interesting :)
What AP and MB crunch times with mew Cat ?

Downloaded and installed the APP version yesterday - so far haven't seen a big improvement with the MB build - maybe a couple of % on my 5670
Uninterrupted times for a 0.44 AR task about 1hr 35 - down from around 1hr 40

Haven't been able to get any AP tasks for over a month now  :'(
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 24 Oct 2010, 06:11:03 am
interesting :)
What AP and MB crunch times with mew Cat ?

Haven't tried it yet, just downloading it now, but first i've got to try Cat 10.9 (without my fix) and see if ATI computation works with Nvidia GPU fitted,
then I'll try Cat 10.10, but i've now run out of ATI work from Seti, and only have small amount of Cuda work left,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: BANZAI56 on 24 Oct 2010, 06:11:47 pm
Could be possible of course, if app_info is incorrect or file missing/corrupt from project folder - all really depends on what errors the cuda tasks are giving
I'm running the x32f build and the 260.89 drivers so may be worth BANZAI56 upgrading the drivers and re-running the installer to double check everything is correct

With the project in such disarray, of late, I couldn't tell you exactly what the specific errors were at this point.  At one point I saw something about no output file, but that may have been before I uninstalled/reinstalled everything to try and troubleshoot it myself.


FWIW, the rig in question has Win2K Pro for an OS and I thought I had read where 257.21 was going to be one of the last to have support for that OS.?.

If the project issues happen to level off in the near future, I guess it couldn't hurt to try 0.36 as someone suggested.  Perhaps 0.37 doesn’t like the combination of the OS and the PCI 9500GT?


The underlying thing here is that it’s a case of  ‘if it isn’t broken, fix it until it is’.  :)
The rig had an ample quantity of ghosts, but no actual work during one of the early server outages.  A quick detach/reattach seemed like a great time to also update the client and the opti app.  It is looking like it might become just another reason to simply replace the rig…  :/
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 25 Oct 2010, 03:49:54 pm

FWIW, the rig in question has Win2K Pro for an OS and I thought I had read where 257.21 was going to be one of the last to have support for that OS.?.
The underlying thing here is that it’s a case of  ‘if it isn’t broken, fix it until it is’.  :)
The rig had an ample quantity of ghosts, but no actual work during one of the early server outages.  A quick detach/reattach seemed like a great time to also update the client and the opti app.  It is looking like it might become just another reason to simply replace the rig…  :/


Possible that NV are no longer supporting Win2k Pro - they've only got Win2k3 x64 on their site now so a rollback to one of the earlier drivers would probably be the best bet.
Although if it means that you can get a new rig out of this then it's not all bad ;D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 26 Oct 2010, 11:16:09 am
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/win7-winvista-64bit-260.99-whql-driver-uk.html
260.99 drivers now available!?!?! Only a week after the 260.89 drivers???
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 26 Oct 2010, 11:27:49 am
There's a discussion at GPUGrid (http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2318) suggesting, at least anecdotally, that some GPUs have been observed to clock-down to a power-saving mode with the 260.89 drivers. The 260.99 release may be a bug-fix for that issue - or it may just have been a mistake (it was unusual that the WHQL release had the same version number as the preceding Beta version).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 05 Nov 2010, 12:56:53 pm
Haven't been able to invest much time here lately while growing stuff. Now winter's approaching.............

I got latest Nvidia driver 260.99.
See there is a new CUDA toolkit 3.2 RC. Notes here say still RC while NV ensures there's no problems.
I need to  install both then use latest version unified installer 0.37 -- correct?

I use GTX275 and GT8500 in one PC, 9800GTX in another.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 05 Nov 2010, 07:36:10 pm
Any 256+  series driver installed ( 260.99 seems good ) will be enough for 0.37 .  Cuda 3.2 builds won't be released until sometime after nVidia relase one witnout the RC tag, and some worthwhile imrovements can be added.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 06 Nov 2010, 12:05:21 am
Any 256+  series driver installed ( 260.99 seems good ) will be enough for 0.37 .  Cuda 3.2 builds won't be released until sometime after nVidia relase one witnout the RC tag, and some worthwhile imrovements can be added.

OK thank you. Been a bit out of touch this summer. I'm still using CUDA 2.3.  Best to just wait, or find 3.1 drivers?

For CUDA 2.3 and prior there were specific dll's etc to install. I didn't see that for V3.x. Has this changed while I was busy ranching?
Tnx Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 06 Nov 2010, 02:30:09 am
For CUDA 2.3 and prior there were specific dll's etc to install. I didn't see that for V3.x. Has this changed while I was busy ranching?
Tnx Art

Basically the Cuda 3.0 build in the 0.37 installer comes with, and installs, the ones it needs,  and nVidia's changed the way things work by specifically naming the DLLs by version the application was built with.  So swapping DLLs around is no longer recommended, and while could possibly work (with jiggering) is not guaranteed to be reliable & stable etc.   For pre Fermi cards, there are some reliability benefits to using the newer Cuda 3.0 build in the 0.37 installer (x32f), though not a great deal of speed difference yet.  Cuda 3.1 itself had some issues with Multi-GPU setups that prevented a release, so next one will be 3.2.

Since there are quite a few new features in 3.2 to make use of toward eeking out a bit more performance & stability, the next release will be based on that one but will be a way off.  That is because using those features requires fairly extensive code modifications for both Fermi & Pre-Fermi archiotectures to see enough benefit to be worth the effort.

jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: k6xt on 06 Nov 2010, 08:28:02 pm
Jason thank you for the explanation on advancements while I've been distracted. I'll move to the 0.37 installer on the farm.
BR
Art
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 17 Nov 2010, 03:12:37 pm
New AMD drivers are out, 10-11 APP http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_win7-64.aspx
BUT
Quote
OpenCL 1.1 conformance tests have not been run with this version of the ATI Catalyst Driver Suite in conjunction with the ATI Stream SDK v2.2. If you require an OpenCL 1.1 conformant driver, we recommend that you install the ATI Catalyst 10.10 Driver Suite

Looks like a slight speed increase as well on Raistmers ATI MB build
for a midrange AR task down from ~ 1hr 36 > ~1hr 25

Also getting less screen lag with these new drivers :D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 17 Nov 2010, 05:02:39 pm
Somebody at GPUGrid has noticed that the Cuda 3.2 toolkit is also available for general download - http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_downloads.html

What a coincidence ;D. Haven't gone looking for any matching drivers yet.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Miep on 17 Nov 2010, 05:10:32 pm
 
Somebody at GPUGrid has noticed that the Cuda 3.2 toolkit is also available for general download - http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_downloads.html

What a coincidence ;D. Haven't gone looking for any matching drivers yet.

must have been in the last 36h. I checked yesterday. 260.99 are 3.2 compatible, 258.96 looks like it isn't.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 17 Nov 2010, 05:25:45 pm
Somebody at GPUGrid has noticed that the Cuda 3.2 toolkit is also available for general download - http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_2_downloads.html

What a coincidence ;D. Haven't gone looking for any matching drivers yet.

must have been in the last 36h. I checked yesterday. 260.99 are 3.2 compatible, 258.96 looks like it isn't.

The GPUGrid post (http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2318&nowrap=true#19534) was only about an hour ago.

Are you sure about those drivers? The developer drivers linked with the toolkit are up to 263.06 for desktops, though still at 260.99 for notebooks. Probably best to wait until the dust has settled in the morning before making any definitive recommendations.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Miep on 17 Nov 2010, 05:43:53 pm
Are you sure about those drivers? The developer drivers linked with the toolkit are up to 263.06 for desktops, though still at 260.99 for notebooks. Probably best to wait until the dust has settled in the morning before making any definitive recommendations.


16-Nov-2010 14:54:53 [---] NVIDIA GPU 0: Quadro FX 570M (driver version 25896, CUDA version 3010, compute capability 1.1, 242MB, 61 GFLOPS peak)
17/11/2010 17:41:35 |  | NVIDIA GPU 0: Quadro FX 570M (driver version 26099, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.1, 242MB, 61 GFLOPS peak)
I'd say that's 3.2 ;)
Yes notebook drivers are usually out a tad later. Guess high end business is a much smaller market than gamers ;D
Maybe this time round they managed to fix my occasional blue screen...
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 17 Nov 2010, 07:10:11 pm
Downloading now for my GTX460.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Nov 2010, 06:12:19 am
The developer drivers linked with the toolkit are up to 263.06 for desktops, though still at 260.99 for notebooks. Probably best to wait until the dust has settled in the morning before making any definitive recommendations.

There's the added complication of WHQL 262.99 drivers, released November 9, 2010 to support the GeForce 500 series, but the recommended version is still 260.99 for any lesser desktop card.

I'm actually running the interim 260.89 WHQL drivers (couldn't be bothered to update again). Is there a CUDA 3.2 app available yet for alpha testing, just to see where the dividing line really is?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 18 Nov 2010, 09:55:39 am
Since confirmed, that 260.89 onwards is sufficient to run Cuda 3.2 release SDK built application.

I've split the Powerspectrum GPU memory subsystems test stuff off into it's own thread, as the results I'm seeing appear valuable.

Cheers, Jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 04 Dec 2010, 09:44:59 am
Has anyone tried the 265.90 driver available here
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/27644-v26590-windows-7vista-64bit-quadro-desktop
 ( driver not WHQL certified, source unknown )
on a GTX 460 card yet ?

With new WU's possibly being available as soon as Tuesday i'm looking
 to make up for lost time and certainly can't afford a hardware upgrade
now or any time in the near future.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 04 Dec 2010, 09:47:47 am
Yup, I tried them for another experiment - http://lunatics.kwsn.net/12-gpu-crunching/split-powerspectrum-unit-test.msg33737.html#msg33737
not sure where he got these drivers from as they haven't been released on the nvidia site as far as I can see.
The devloper drivers are only at 263.xx at the moment and can't find any trace of these drivers anywhere else
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 04 Dec 2010, 07:09:19 pm
I think I will stick with the developer drivers for the time being as they work just fine for me.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 13 Dec 2010, 03:57:13 pm
New ATI APP Cat drivers have been released 10-12
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 15 Jan 2011, 08:02:16 am
i just downloaded and installed the beta 266.35 drivers.
Have also downloaded, but not installed the CUDA Toolkit
3.2 ( 64 bit ). Is their anything i need to do to insure that
3.2 gets installed properly ?

     i'm familiar with updating nVIDIA drivers but only
did 1 CUDA and have forgotten how i did it.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 15 Jan 2011, 09:10:39 am
I've only ever downloaded and run the driver installer package. I usually turn off BOINC entirely while I'm doing it - disable autorun at startup - because there's often a reboot involved: once the reboot has completed and everything is running, I check the driver and CUDA versions in NVidia Control Panel, and if they match what I'm expecting, I reckon it's safe to fire up BOINC again. Never been let down yet.

The only conceivable thing you could need the toolkit for (apart from developing new apps, of course) would be to get hold of specific versions of the rt and fft DLLs. I did that a few times in the early days, but now that the DLLs are "strongly versioned" (all recent CUDA applications need to have exactly the DLL versions they were compiled for), there's no point in extracting any support files manually.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 15 Jan 2011, 10:24:12 am
  As is all too often the case i acted in haste and was less than
clear as a result.

     i downloaded the 3.2 toolkit because that was the first
reference i found to CUDA 3.2.  Developing apps and needing
specific versions of rt and fft dll's is beyond me.

    i am looking to get and install 3.2 CUDA on my machine as
it seems likely that with the newest drivers and my GTX 460 i
would see some significant performane increases.

      What is the best way to do this ?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 15 Jan 2011, 10:37:39 am
  As is all too often the case i acted in haste and was less than
clear as a result.

     i downloaded the 3.2 toolkit because that was the first
reference i found to CUDA 3.2.  Developing apps and needing
specific versions of rt and fft dll's is beyond me.

    i am looking to get and install 3.2 CUDA on my machine as
it seems likely that with the newest drivers and my GTX 460 i
would see some significant performane increases.

      What is the best way to do this ?
Just install a 260.xx or later driver,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 15 Jan 2011, 10:55:52 am
Hello Claggy:

                    i downloaded and installed the 266.35 driver. it seems i messed up something though
as it seems that i still have a 3.0 CUDA version

1/15/2011 9:26:10 AM      NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 26635, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 2.1, 739MB, 684 GFLOPS peak)
1/15/2011 9:26:10 AM      NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTS 250 (driver version 26635, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.1, 998MB, 470 GFLOPS peak)
1/15/2011 9:26:10 AM   SETI@home   Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
1/15/2011 9:26:11 AM   SETI@home   URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5738837; resource share 1000
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 15 Jan 2011, 11:58:24 am
Hello Claggy:

                    i downloaded and installed the 266.35 driver. it seems i messed up something though
as it seems that i still have a 3.0 CUDA version

1/15/2011 9:26:10 AM      NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 26635, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 2.1, 739MB, 684 GFLOPS peak)
1/15/2011 9:26:10 AM      NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTS 250 (driver version 26635, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.1, 998MB, 470 GFLOPS peak)
1/15/2011 9:26:10 AM   SETI@home   Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
1/15/2011 9:26:11 AM   SETI@home   URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5738837; resource share 1000


Nope, you do have 3.2, they just express it differently.

Fri Jan 14 19:18:52 2011 |  | NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 26063, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 2.1, 768MB, 717 GFLOPS peak)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: glennaxl on 18 Jan 2011, 06:52:43 pm
New Nvidia WHQL driver is out. version 266.58
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 18 Jan 2011, 10:55:28 pm
I just tried to install the 266.35 driver and suffered a nice BSOD. Went back to 263.06 and back up.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 19 Jan 2011, 04:29:14 am
I just tried to install the 266.35 driver and suffered a nice BSOD. Went back to 263.06 and back up.

I put it on four machines last night (one Windows 7, three XP, all 32 bit). No problems with any of them.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 19 Jan 2011, 11:51:48 am
I just tried to install the 266.35 driver and suffered a nice BSOD. Went back to 263.06 and back up.

I put it on four machines last night (one Windows 7, three XP, all 32 bit). No problems with any of them.

Mine was XP Pro-64.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: M_M on 19 Jan 2011, 12:17:40 pm
266.58 WHQL drivers are out...

Btw, does anyone know how come that GTX460 is compute capability 2.1, and newer few month newer GTX570/GTX580 only compute capability 2.0? Is nVidia going backwards???
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 21 Jan 2011, 12:26:06 pm
Any benefit noticed in anything beyond 260.63?

My rigs are thumping along nicely on 260.63 and 260.99, except of course the rigs with Win2K, which I think stopped being supported at 257.21.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 21 Jan 2011, 12:35:15 pm
266.58 WHQL drivers are out...

Btw, does anyone know how come that GTX460 is compute capability 2.1, and newer few month newer GTX570/GTX580 only compute capability 2.0? Is nVidia going backwards???

Compute capability mainly differentiates 2 things, The instruction set & compute geometry.  Although they have the same instructions, 2.1 as used in the 460 is different to the cuda core configuration used in the 470/480/570/580 , which is 2.0.  Basically the 460 has extra warp schedulers & a few minor differences, while 2.0 covered the complete original Fermi design. 
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 21 Jan 2011, 12:36:33 pm
Any benefit noticed in anything beyond 260.63?

My rigs are thumping along nicely on 260.63 and 260.99, except of course the rigs with Win2K, which I think stopped being supported at 257.21.
  I noticed a small speed improvement somewhere around 263, but since then it has mostly been adding support for new cards.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 21 Jan 2011, 12:38:32 pm
Okee dokey.......

Off for another round of updates then.

Thanks, Jason.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: M_M on 21 Jan 2011, 12:48:49 pm
266.58 WHQL drivers are out...

Btw, does anyone know how come that GTX460 is compute capability 2.1, and newer few month newer GTX570/GTX580 only compute capability 2.0? Is nVidia going backwards???

Compute capability mainly differentiates 2 things, The instruction set & compute geometry.  Although they have the same instructions, 2.1 as used in the 460 is different to the cuda core configuration used in the 470/480/570/580 , which is 2.0.  Basically the 460 has extra warp schedulers & a few minor differences, while 2.0 covered the complete original Fermi design. 

Thanks. I knew that 470/480 were "older" design then 460, however I (wrongly) assumed that 570/580 would be at least same or newer design then 460...
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 21 Jan 2011, 12:56:42 pm
Thanks. I knew that 470/480 were "older" design then 460, however I (wrongly) assumed that 570/580 would be at least same or newer design then 460...

It's only *slightly* more complicated  by things, in that the original full Fermi design is for supercompute, whereas the 460 strips some stuff out & adds other bits to make games go faster.  The 570/580 is a 'newer' design, but has the full original Fermi layout, with the 460's memory controller & power enhancements, none of which relate to the compute geometry being optimised for games.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 21 Jan 2011, 02:25:14 pm
Notice 'slighlty' more power consumption on my top two rigs after the update........
Maybe a couple percent.....

But, that equates to more crunching.

Thanks again, Jason.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 21 Jan 2011, 04:34:47 pm
For Win 7 64, the new driver is working smoothly. Like Mark said, there is a slight increase in power usage. I migrated up from 260.99. I have no ill side effects.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 21 Jan 2011, 05:29:41 pm
For Win 7 64, the new driver is working smoothly. Like Mark said, there is a slight increase in power usage. I migrated up from 260.99. I have no ill side effects.

Steve
Thanks Steve....
Good to know that your results were the same as mine.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Win95GUI on 26 Jan 2011, 11:27:11 pm
Mine show up as CUDA 3.0
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 29 Jan 2011, 05:28:28 am
Catalyst 11.1 is out,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: aaronhaviland on 30 Jan 2011, 08:48:50 am
Latest beta NV drivers on Linux (270.18) seem to hint at a new version of CUDA around the corner. Wonder what this version might target?

(Unfortunately, this makes the cuda profiler fail for me, as the new drivers output an extra column: gridZ.)

Code: [Select]
orion@anubis:~$ strings /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libcuda.so|grep "CUDA "
OpenCL 1.0 CUDA 4.0.1
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 30 Mar 2011, 06:42:41 pm
Cat 11.3 was released yesterday, and 270.51 BETA has been released today,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 30 Mar 2011, 06:46:36 pm
(Unfortunately, this makes the cuda profiler fail for me, as the new drivers output an extra column: gridZ.)
Aha, great! 2D grid limitation was very annoying. OpenCL has 3D for both local and global thread blocks. This made OpenCL->CUDa port quite cumbersome...
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 30 Mar 2011, 08:50:14 pm
3/30/2011 7:43:55 PM      NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 27051, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 2.1, 739MB, 684 GFLOPS peak)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 30 Mar 2011, 08:51:39 pm
31/03/2011 01:30:46      NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 27051, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 2.1, 993MB, 717 GFLOPS peak)
31/03/2011 01:30:46      ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD5700 series (Juniper) (CAL version 1.4.1332, 1024MB, 1360 GFLOPS peak)

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 31 Mar 2011, 04:12:07 am
Reminds self to always do a clean install with the Nvidia drivers as XP looks ugly when drivers are not properly installed.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 09 Apr 2011, 05:55:53 am
AMD APP SDK_2.4 was released 3 days ago,

Quote
What’s New in AMD APP SDK V2.4

Improved OpenCL runtime performance:
Zero copy transfer of data between CPU and GPU for APUs (Windows only)
Improved PCIe transfer speed
Improved kernel launch times
Support for AMD A-series devices
Support for:
AMD C-30 Accelerated Processor with AMD Radeon™ HD 6250 graphics card
AMD C-50 Accelerated Processor with AMD Radeon™ HD 6250 graphics card
AMD E-240 Accelerated Processor with AMD Radeon™ HD 6310 graphics card
AMD E-350 Accelerated Processor with AMD Radeon™ HD 6310 graphics card
AMD Radeon™ HD 6670 graphics card
AMD Radeon™ HD 6570 graphics card
AMD Radeon™ HD 6450 graphics card
Support for CPU/x86 images (Enables the support for image formats, as described in the Khronos OpenCL Specification, to be run on the x86 CPU)
Support for cl_khr_fp64 on the CPU.
Cached reads (-fno-alias)
Binary image format improvements
DXVA buffer sharing
FFT performance improvements
Uninstallation of SDK 2.4 or its components is now done through the Catalyst Install Manager (CIM). See the Installation Notes for a description of the procedure.
For the AMD APP Profiler v2.2:
Support for OpenCL™ application summary
Support for profiling with AMD Radeon™ HD6900 series GPUs (requires AMD APP SDK v2.4 and AMD Catalyst 11.2 or newer)
Improved Session List Explorer
Improved user documentation (now also accessible online in Documentation)
For the AMD APP KernelAnalyzer v1.8:
Support for AMD Catalyst 11.1 – 11.3
Support for setting the OpenCL compiler build options
Improved analysis for AMD Radeon™ HD 6970 graphics cards
Support for displaying x86 assembly code
Commencing with Catalyst 11.3, the AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing (APP) OpenCL runtime is included in the GPU drivers. More frequent updates to the run-time may be obtained by updating the drivers.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Raistmer on 09 Apr 2011, 06:14:07 am
yes, in true AMD way as usual.... compatible driver 11.4 listed... but they offer only 11.3 from official page still  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 09 Apr 2011, 06:31:37 am
yes, in true AMD way as usual.... compatible driver 11.4 listed... but they offer only 11.3 from official page still  :-\ :-\ :-\
Tested drivers are Cat 11.4, but Cat 11.3 is additionally supported by AMD APP SDK 2.4,

Then for the AMD APP Profiler v2.2, Support for profiling with AMD Radeon™ HD6900 series GPUs (requires AMD APP SDK v2.4 and AMD Catalyst 11.2 or newer)

and for the AMD APP KernelAnalyzer v1.8, there's Support for AMD Catalyst 11.1 – 11.3

I wish they'd just test a few more drivers and actually say which drivers are supported and which aren't!!!!  :-\ :-\ :-\

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 19 Apr 2011, 06:20:21 am
NVidia drivers 270.61 WHQL were released yesterday.

Quote
This is the first WHQL-certified release from the Release 270 family of drivers (versions 270.xx to 274.xx).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 19 Apr 2011, 05:57:37 pm
I tried 270.51 when it was in Beta, and ended up with significant down clocking that could only be cured by a reboot. I'll give this version a go and see what happens.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 19 Apr 2011, 08:41:28 pm
I had the same problem as you Steve, kept coming in from work and finding my GPU running at 350/800, finally went back to the last WHQL driver version and it is sticking at my 800/1600 levels.

Might try installing the toolkit and then the newer drivers and see if it works okay.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Ghost0210 on 20 Apr 2011, 04:05:09 am
I tried 270.51 when it was in Beta, and ended up with significant down clocking that could only be cured by a reboot. I'll give this version a go and see what happens.

Steve

I was getting this with the beta as well, everytime I had to restart Boinc the card would downclock.
So far though it looks like it's been resolved in this release
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 20 Apr 2011, 04:35:27 am
I tried 270.51 when it was in Beta, and ended up with significant down clocking that could only be cured by a reboot. I'll give this version a go and see what happens.

Steve

I was getting this with the beta as well, everytime I had to restart Boinc the card would downclock.
So far though it looks like it's been resolved in this release

Alright, lookout.  So far these WHQL drivers appear to give me a higher throughput at the expense of higher temperature on my 480 with test builds.  I'm not sure I'm comfortable with my 480 running at 94 degrees C, so will have to keep an eye on it.  Time to follow through with that plumbing research  ::) will have to hit the old lady up for some danger den funding  :-\
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 20 Apr 2011, 08:00:11 am
Okay, I loaded the new 270.61 driver yesterday. Got up this morning and noticed my work units were taking around three hours to complete. EVGA Precision is showing me downclocked from 900/1800/1804 to 405/810/324. The only good thing is that my temp is now down to 47c. It normally stays around 67c or so with the older drivers. Now, how do I get rid of this thing? Can I just load the older driver over top of this one or do I have to remove it first then load the older driver?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 20 Apr 2011, 08:52:46 am
Now, how do I get rid of this thing? Can I just load the older driver over top of this one or do I have to remove it first then load the older driver?

Straight install over the top *should* be OK, folowed by the advanced 'clean install' option if it didn;t take, then last ditch effort would be the 'old school' complete uninstall->driverSweeper->installNew tactic.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Miep on 20 Apr 2011, 09:01:47 am
And to add insult to injury, on my (256MB) system it just doesn't want to play along with x32f.

Please pay attention to whether your tasks still validate after upgrading to 270.61!
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 20 Apr 2011, 09:52:50 am
Hi Miep and Jason G,
Mine validated okay but slow. Nvidia recommends just doing a rollback through System and Maintenance in the control panel so I will try that here in a minute. If that doesn't work I'll try to just install over.  And as a last resort I'll go find Driver Sweeper and do it the hard way.   :-\  If I'm not back in an hour send out a search party!   ;D

Cancel the rescue party I'm back!   ;D  Rollback did not work the first time and when I went to try again the rollback button was blanked out so I hit uninstall instead and then installed the 266.58 driver. That seemed to work okay and it looks like I'm back up to speed. I like to stay up to date on the recommended stuff but I'm not gonna take that kind of a hit on my speed. Work that usually took 35 to 45 minutes were taking 2 or 3 hours. That's not good at all! Maybe the next driver will be better.

One more little note, I tried installing 266.58 over the 270 before I uninstalled and that didn't work either.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 20 Apr 2011, 12:31:21 pm
One more little note, I tried installing 266.58 over the 270 before I uninstalled and that didn't work either.

The Clean Install option does work as that is what I did on my system.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 20 Apr 2011, 05:38:24 pm
So far no problems for me. I'm over clocked, over volted, and charging up the hill, with temps not even slightly being a problem. No errors other than the occaisional -12 error. This water cooling thing is beyond excellent! It bullet proofs your ability to over heat, unless of catastrophic failure, which would be very, very rare.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pizzadude on 22 Apr 2011, 02:29:51 am
Yep, went for the clean install option and all looks goods.  Two overclocked 460's ticking along nicely with no increase in temperature or errors.

No performance increase or decrease.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: msattler on 22 Apr 2011, 05:31:40 pm
Well, until I see some glowing reports about increased crunching production, I'll stick with the 257.21 and 266.58 drivers that are working great for me on a mix of 200 and 400 series cards.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pizzadude on 23 Apr 2011, 04:12:59 am
Mmmm three unexplained driver crashes in the last 12 hours.  Anybody else seeing this ???
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: SciManStev on 23 Apr 2011, 08:12:57 am
I ran bothe the 266.58 and 270.61 drivers for several days each, with no advantage one way or the other. My RAC stayed within the same total range. I did not suffer from the down clocking others had reported, nor the invalid wu's. Strictly from my point of view, there was no difference. I don't know about gaming though. I didn't bother to stop crunching in order tp play a game.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 23 Apr 2011, 08:18:34 am
I do get downclocking with the 480 here with driver 270.61, but only when I snooze or exit Boinc, and then only sometimes.  No driver crashes or invalid tasks, though the downclocking is annoying enough when I need to do development bench-runs that I may have to go back to 266.58

Jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 04 May 2011, 07:39:55 pm
I noticed down-clock only in this state: after I put three WU in parallel work, first three will have OK time, but after that crunching will be very slow. Restart solve this thing. If I use only 2 parallel WU , there is no such issue. Since I change from GTX 460 to GTX 560,  I will try it again.
Down-clock on 560 also, drivers downgrade to 270.51 ( beta)
On short ones

1 WU - 2:30  -    150 sec per WU
2 WU  parallel  - 4:13  -    126,5 sec per WU
3 WU  parallel  - 5:45  -    115 sec per WU
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 17 May 2011, 05:24:26 pm
275.27 Beta has been released today,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 17 May 2011, 06:35:48 pm
Updated :)
Now we will see rest: just sit and wait :)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 17 May 2011, 07:30:47 pm
275.27 Beta has been released today,

Claggy

Installed just the driver and HD audio driver on my GTX 460. Now to see if they got the down clocking bug fixed.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 19 May 2011, 04:33:59 pm
It took a bit, but it downclocked once again. Back to 266.58
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pizzadude on 20 May 2011, 02:29:42 am
Yep, same observation here. Version 266.58 seems to be rock solid


It took a bit, but it downclocked once again. Back to 266.58
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 20 May 2011, 03:45:25 am
Yep, same observation here. Version 266.58 seems to be rock solid


It took a bit, but it downclocked once again. Back to 266.58

Hm, I don't have downclock with this drivers. Works without problems at least 12 hours.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: arkayn on 20 May 2011, 12:22:29 pm
It took about 36 hours or so. I also changed the working CUDA app on my machine. When I restarted BOINC, the GPU did not spin back up to full power.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Fredericx51 on 27 May 2011, 05:57:05 pm
I still have ocasionell system-freeze, still use 266.58 and run LUNATICs, used the v0.37 installer,
host is an Q6600, stock(+),
this host. (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4226016)

Also run Einstein and a few CPU only, Projects. Since at 'hangs' i.s.o. BSOD, no useble 'log' or other
message.
Happens, once or twice a week, maybe heavy outside-temps, could be a reason, which I doubt.
I use cold air, atleast at night, which changes from 2-4C to 20C in 2 till 6 hours?!
I've seen the Q6600 with a 104C temp reading, but a sysinfo which reported 94C, still too high.
Time to reseat the Cooler. (A push/pull Coolermaster. (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/lga-1156-heatsink,review-31796-4.html))

Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 01 Jun 2011, 07:39:17 pm
New drivers are out: 275.33!
Initial benchmark show at least 20% increase in speed on my 560Ti!
It is very good news!
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 02 Jun 2011, 07:40:03 am
Looking good, with minor speedups & improved 'feel' during full crunch with test builds here too, on two different systems:
-> Win7x64 Pro/sp1 , GTX 480
-> WinXPx86 Pro/sp3 , GTX 260

I'm unclear as to whether nVidia may have robustified the new drivers to abuse from applications yet (might have to try break them  ;) ) .  Here's hoping those problems slip quietly into history, even though our test app avoids triggering the issues, it would be a lot less painful for those who crunch other Cuda-enabled Boinc projects, or prefer to run stock.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 02 Jun 2011, 10:04:57 am
Message from your messenger pidgeon: is there any way we can help to work out if the new drivers do help with the down-clock problem? If that can be established, I can start doing the rounds again....
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Jason G on 02 Jun 2011, 10:19:01 am
Message from your messenger pidgeon: is there any way we can help to work out if the new drivers do help with the down-clock problem? If that can be established, I can start doing the rounds again....

Hmm, running stock 6.10 or x32f in bench runs, repeatedly killing the processes via task manager should trigger it on effected systems if the driver remains sensitive to the bodgy cuda app exits.  I'm reasonably satisfied that x38b is viable for Beta soon to prove the V7 code, so I'll try a round of knabench abuse here with that & earlier known more abusive  variants. 

Feel free  to try likewise if your 470 ever was sensitive (repeatably).  Snoozing/unsnoozing Boinc with any pre-x37 series app, or another  project Cuda app should also trigger 'sticky downclock' if still susceptible to it under the new drivers.  x37-x38 series are somewhat hardened against it, though should still be possible through task manager abuse ( not recommended for live Boinc installations of course)

[Edit:] x32f still triggers sticky downclock on killing with task manager here... So don't do that unless you really want.

Rebooting & abandoning hope that drivers can make up for evil code ::)

Jason
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 02 Jun 2011, 10:42:11 am
I never explored the possibilities with the 470. Was running stable with 266.58, and I left it at that. (I don't really like running Beta drivers, along with Beta apps - change one thing at a time, I reckon).

Having said that, it threw a complete wobbly and crashed BOINC, trashed SETI tasks, about an hour ago. Maybe heat - first really warm day of summer. I'm giving the machine a checkover, loading 275.33, will probably start afresh with x38b when I'm sure it's working OK. Some interesting error messages to post when I get control of the machine again.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 02 Jun 2011, 10:51:13 am
My host threw a wobbly yesterday, kept locking up, it then managed to loose the Einstein project, after reatttaching to Einstein and getting the same Wu's back, it did it again,
so i disassembled it, disassembled the GPU's and cleaned them out, reassembled them, then cleaned out the CPU cooler, now stable again, phew,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: benool on 03 Jun 2011, 08:12:13 am
I tried 275.33 today and had to revert immediately as tasks were all completing with 'computation error' within a few seconds.

Looking at BOINC initialization messages, I think it could be related to the new unified memory addressing introduced in CUDA 4.

With 266.58 I get this:
03/06/2011 11:38:31      NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8600 GTS (driver version unknown, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.1, 240MB, 96 GFLOPS peak)

With 275.33 I got something like this (not exact copy/paste):
NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8600 GTS (driver version unknown, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 1.1, 209MB, 96 GFLOPS peak)

Notice how suddenly there seems to be only 209Mb available out of 256Mb from the card?

If memory serves well, MB cuda takes around 220Mb so 240Mb is already just barely enough but at 209Mb it just isn't enough anymore and it fails...
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Miep on 03 Jun 2011, 08:43:45 am
x38e JUST runs on my 256 MiB card on 266 drivers with 253 MiB used in total. 270 driver goes over the edge, memory need wise (same for x32f). I haven't tried 275, but I don't think the memory footprint has gotten smaller again. Until such time as Jason can reduce required memory, I fear 256 MiB card owners are stuck on 266.58 drivers.

Thanks for confirming that the are other 256 MiB cards out there beside my Quadro 570M alpha testing system.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: benool on 03 Jun 2011, 11:28:13 am
You're welcome.

I forgot to mention it but yes, the tests were made with x32f version.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 03 Jun 2011, 01:15:10 pm
My little GTS 450 shows this with the 266.58 driver...

6/3/2011 8:23:51 AM      NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTS 450 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 2.1, 993MB, 461 GFLOPS peak)

I tried the newer drivers before and though it didn't break any work units it did slow way down and I had to go back to this 266.58. I was so worried by the slow down I didn't think to see how much the memory changed. I sure will be glad when this problem gets solved.

Oh yeah, I'm also running the X32F.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Miep on 03 Jun 2011, 01:24:15 pm
[grumpy] Does anybody EVER read anywhere properly?[/grumpy]

Until either x37/x38 is available puiblicly OR the boinc API has been updated AND stock recompiled,  chances are high that Cuda 4 drivers (270+) wil NOT work properly. sticky downclock, memory issues, strange exits truncaed stderr, you name it. Stay on the stuipd 266 driver until we have the installer out.

You can of course just riosk it and hope your system isn't affected but you have been warned. Several times.

Entschuldigt, aber ich bin es einfach leid mir den Mund fusselig zu reden, nur weil keiner zuhoert. Irgendwann reisst auch mir der Geduldsfaden.

I think that's too colloquial to translate well with google. sorry.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 03 Jun 2011, 01:37:54 pm
Key phrase there was I tried the newer drivers before.... That was when they were first released. I was saying I was not going to update drivers again until this mess is sorted out. That's my round about way of agreeing with you "Grumpy" !!   ;D
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 03 Jun 2011, 02:04:12 pm
When you have card like me with 1 GB of memory , then you are not worried about that info ( what drivers say about memory size left) I know that on nearly any new release of drivers show less memory: I have GTX 460 with 768 MB of memory, and in that case you cannot run 3 only 2 WU in parallel. But when you have  1 GB, it is not problem what drivers show ( 903 MB, 935 MB or 993 MB) :)
But this drivers is fast as hell!
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Miep on 03 Jun 2011, 02:50:33 pm
Key phrase there was I tried the newer drivers before.... That was when they were first released. I was saying I was not going to update drivers again until this mess is sorted out. That's my round about way of agreeing with you "Grumpy" !!   ;D

I do apologize. wasn't my day today.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 03 Jun 2011, 04:05:26 pm
No problem Carola.

 And Pepi, My GTS 450 also has 1Gb but it didn't take long for the newer drivers to cause it to down clock. Probably because I snoozed the GPU to play a game and it wouldn't come back up. Some people were reporting it took over 30 days before theirs down clocked but down clock they did. I sure am looking forward to the new installer and a cure for it. I will be glad to jump on it when it comes out as Beta. Wish I knew enough to join the alpha testers but I would just slow them down!!    :'(
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 03 Jun 2011, 05:41:56 pm
Perryjay, snozing GPU is main reason for downclock. I make another tactics: I use onboard GPU for 2D work in windows, so Geforce is only for  crunching. 
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 03 Jun 2011, 07:45:11 pm
Great idea Pepi but my cheapo machine disabled onboard GPU when I put the extra in there. Can't find any way to get it running again with the 450 in there.
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pepi on 03 Jun 2011, 08:17:36 pm
Great idea Pepi but my cheapo machine disabled onboard GPU when I put the extra in there. Can't find any way to get it running again with the 450 in there.
And your motherboard is?
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: perryjay on 04 Jun 2011, 02:45:23 pm
EMachines  MCP73VT-PM 1.0  Like I said, a cheapo!   ::)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Claggy on 16 Jun 2011, 09:37:09 am
Catalyst 11.6 was released yesterday,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: _heinz on 16 Jun 2011, 10:50:12 am
new Nvidia driver 275.33 for laptop released.
Verde 275.33 Driver  (http://www.nvidia.de/object/notebook-win7-winvista-64bit-275.33-whql-driver-de.html?nvidiaupdate=1)

heinz
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Mike on 16 Jun 2011, 05:20:51 pm
Catalyst 11.6 was released yesterday,

Claggy

New release notes for APP as well.

(http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=15219&w=o)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pizzadude on 17 Jun 2011, 02:20:25 am
Mmmm is this a anything to do with Nvidia or Cuda ???  :-\



Catalyst 11.6 was released yesterday,

Claggy

New release notes for APP as well.

(http://www.planet3dnow.de/photoplog/file.php?n=15219&w=o)
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 17 Jun 2011, 02:40:48 am
Mmmm is this a anything to do with Nvidia or Cuda ???  :-\

Maybe not, but this thread was started almost two years ago, in the early days of CUDA development, and before ATI work had really got underway. Now we're working on both platforms in parallel, it makes sense (to me at least) to have a shared reference point for things like this. Maybe a mod could change the title to reflect the changed development circumstances ("Latest nVIDIA and ATI driver releases"?).
Title: Re: Latest nVIDIA_driver and CUDA_Version
Post by: Pizzadude on 17 Jun 2011, 03:09:48 am
Title change sounds like a good solution  ;)

Mmmm is this a anything to do with Nvidia or Cuda ???  :-\

Maybe not, but this thread was started almost two years ago, in the early days of CUDA development, and before ATI work had really got underway. Now we're working on both platforms in parallel, it makes sense (to me at least) to have a shared reference point for things like this. Maybe a mod could change the title to reflect the changed development circumstances ("Latest nVIDIA and ATI driver releases"?).
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 20 Jun 2011, 03:03:40 pm
Nvidia 275.5 BETA drivers have been released, with support for CUDA 4.1
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 24 Jun 2011, 02:23:47 am
Nvidia 275.5 BETA drivers have been released, with support for CUDA 4.1


Anybody got any positive or negative  experience with this release ??
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Morten on 27 Jun 2011, 04:53:45 pm
AMD has finally fixed the problem with HD 69xx series causing host to hang when running OpenCL + Video. Unfortunately it will be available in Catalyst 11.8, not 11.7.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 27 Jun 2011, 07:02:59 pm

Like i mentioned at seti.
It will be released with SDK 2.5.

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: skildude on 28 Jun 2011, 01:13:29 pm
won't make much of a difference unless they stop the CPU fallback.  Otherwise, the best performance for GPU is still the 11.2 drivers. 
|'ve found it easier to set my BOINC to not crunch GPU while the computer is in use.  This eliminates the need to remember to snooze the GPU when I watch videos or play games
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 29 Jun 2011, 03:36:11 am
Nvidia 275.5 BETA drivers have been released, with support for CUDA 4.1


Anybody got any positive or negative  experience with this release ??


So far all has been going swimmingly with these drivers here, with GTX480 & GTX 260 running test builds.  I did go through the firefox 5 & IE9 settings to stop them pinching my GPU resources, and I think both crunching & web browsing function better together this way, though I suppose that would be system specific
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 29 Jun 2011, 11:45:52 am
Quote

So far all has been going swimmingly with these drivers here, with GTX480 & GTX 260 running test builds.  I did go through the firefox 5 & IE9 settings to stop them pinching my GPU resources, and I think both crunching & web browsing function better together this way, though I suppose that would be system specific
Quote

I am running 2 X GTX460 and also use Firefox 5.  I enabled the GPU support for about a week before disabling again and to be honest could not tell any difference from a browsing point of view.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 11 Jul 2011, 12:29:47 pm
I've used the new 0.38 installer on an Nvidia machine GTX275. Plus the latest Nvidia 275.33 installer. Seems all to be working very well. I was having some "Error while computing" results, these have stopped. In a few I'm off to install on an ATI 4870 equipped PC.

Question: Is rescheduling still necessary? Some posts imply changes at SETI have reduced the need. Others refer to Fred's reschedule 2.0 but Search Site didn't find me a link.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 11 Jul 2011, 02:12:59 pm
Question: Is rescheduling still necessary? Some posts imply changes at SETI have reduced the need. Others refer to Fred's reschedule 2.0 but Search Site didn't find me a link.
See the CPU <-> GPU rebranding (http://lunatics.kwsn.net/12-gpu-crunching/cpu-gpu-rebranding-perl-script.360.html) thread for a link to Fred's tool.

I never reschedule tasks anymore, NewCredit is determined by how long a device takes to run a task, rescheduling swaps tasks across devices without telling the server,
if your cache is set to a reasonable level, so GPU work fetch stops because it's full, then CPU will fill up too,
(you can also disable Nvidia GPU work fetch in your preferences until your CPU fills up, then re-enable Nvidia GPU work fetch)
and of course VLAR's aren't sent to Nvidia GPU's anymore,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 11 Jul 2011, 05:48:55 pm

I always reshedule my WUs and never had a problem fetching new work.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 11 Jul 2011, 08:08:57 pm

and of course VLAR's aren't sent to Nvidia GPU's anymore,

Claggy

Tnx info! The new question is, do VLAR process reasonably on ATI GPU's? Or not process at all? I have two ATI equipped PCs.

My cache is set to 3 days, hope that is currently "reasonable". Net is always-on WiFi.
Tnx Art
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 12 Jul 2011, 12:48:54 am

and of course VLAR's aren't sent to Nvidia GPU's anymore,

Claggy

Tnx info! The new question is, do VLAR process reasonably on ATI GPU's? Or not process at all? I have two ATI equipped PCs.
VLAR's process reasonably well on ATI GPU's, while there is a slowdown compared to running them on a CPU, it's not nearly as bad as running them on Nvidia GPUs,

See my host's VLAR Wu's: All tasks for computer 5427475 (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5427475&offset=0&show_names=1&state=0&appid=)

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 12 Jul 2011, 07:16:03 am
2 Nvidia cards here, a GTS 250 and a GTX 460
i have rescheduler set to "always move VLAR's to CPU".

    Should i do the same with VHAR's or leave them to run on GPU's ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: skildude on 13 Jul 2011, 08:00:21 am
No, you want your card to get VHAR WU's those are the easiest to process and nVidia cards love them
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 13 Jul 2011, 05:12:30 pm
Actually the best performance (compared to Q9450 CPU) NV GPUs achieve on midrange tasks.
VHARs take too much CPU overhead to be effective.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 27 Jul 2011, 04:28:26 pm
Catalyst 11.7 is out,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 27 Jul 2011, 04:29:26 pm
Catalyst 11.7 is out,

Claggy
Only 118. worth to try
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 27 Jul 2011, 05:02:39 pm
Catalyst 11.7 is out,

Claggy

Only 118. worth to try

Tried 11-7, gave up and went back to 11-5 after an hour as CPU usage on ATI r521 went up to a whole core from around 5%
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 27 Jul 2011, 05:04:41 pm
Catalyst 11.7 is out,

Claggy
Only 118. worth to try

Win 7 64 only

CAT 11.8. preview (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalyst118DriverPreview.aspx)

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 27 Jul 2011, 05:29:35 pm
Catalyst 11.7 is out,

Claggy
Only 118. worth to try

Win 7 64 only

CAT 11.8. preview (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalyst118DriverPreview.aspx)



Thanks Mike, I'll give the Beta's a go now
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 27 Jul 2011, 05:32:23 pm
Catalyst 11.7 is out,

Claggy
Only 118. worth to try

Win 7 64 only

CAT 11.8. preview (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/Catalyst118DriverPreview.aspx)


Thanks Mike, got it downloaded too,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 28 Jul 2011, 06:23:58 am
not looking any better with the 11-8 SDK2.5 - still getting far too much CPU usage
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2002469227

Run time   6,620.81
CPU time   5,084.54

seeing whole CPU core being used for long periods of time, even on low blanking tasks
will run for the rest of the day and see if it gets any better
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 28 Jul 2011, 09:26:31 am
Working with AMD APU E-350 (HD 6350) and ver 11.6 having so much problems (flickering screen, restarted GPU drivers, not responsive computer, etc.)
with ATI MB optimized, only with this application.

with Collatz no issue or really seldom.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 28 Jul 2011, 03:32:18 pm
Working with AMD APU E-350 (HD 6350) and ver 11.6 having so much problems (flickering screen, restarted GPU drivers, not responsive computer, etc.)
with ATI MB optimized, only with this application.

with Collatz no issue or really seldom.
From the ATI MB release Notes:

-period_iterations_num 1 (default value)
If you see lags in GUI or even driver restarts - add this parameter with value >1 (integer numbers).

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 29 Jul 2011, 05:47:02 pm
From the ATI MB release Notes:

-period_iterations_num 1 (default value)
If you see lags in GUI or even driver restarts - add this parameter with value >1 (integer numbers).

Claggy

thanks, I'll try and advise of results
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: perryjay on 29 Jul 2011, 08:37:45 pm
NVIDIA has a new 280.19 beta driver available. First report on SETI number crunching forum says it seems to cure the memory problem found on the 275.xx series and seems to be a bit faster. Nothing said about the down clocking problem though.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 29 Jul 2011, 08:40:58 pm
I will have to test the new driver with x38g as x40 is fairly slow on my 560.

We discovered the memory cure in the Alpha thread.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: perryjay on 29 Jul 2011, 08:49:57 pm
I'm thinking about trying it on my x39e I'm running but haven't worked up the nerve yet.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 31 Jul 2011, 02:14:25 pm
From the ATI MB release Notes:

-period_iterations_num 1 (default value)
If you see lags in GUI or even driver restarts - add this parameter with value >1 (integer numbers).

Claggy

already was set to "2" and really was a pain in the a...., now is set to "4" and looks like much more stable.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 03 Aug 2011, 06:45:24 pm
AMD APP SDK 2.5 RC2 is available for download

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 04 Aug 2011, 02:24:44 am
ATi GPU compatibility list: http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/pages/DriverCompatibility.aspx#conformance
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Morten on 04 Aug 2011, 08:09:41 am
Finally a release notes that does not say this about HD 5970: "supported only in single mode" - which means that now multi gpu 5970 is finally supported. Hopefully.

I will hold my horses until final GA on SDK and CAL before I test, as it's a real hazzle to update/change on a Windows server 2008...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Aug 2011, 11:25:33 am
Finally a release notes that does not say this about HD 5970: "supported only in single mode" - which means that now multi gpu 5970 is finally supported. Hopefully.

I will hold my horses until final GA on SDK and CAL before I test, as it's a real hazzle to update/change on a Windows server 2008...

So far i know multiple GPU like 5970 and 6990 still not supportet.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Morten on 04 Aug 2011, 01:11:55 pm
In all previous SDK release notes it was clearly stated in footnote that 5970 was only supported in single GPU mode. Now there is no "single" in release notes, or info stating multi gpu is not supported on 5970.

As for HD 6990 - it's not on the supported list, so I guess this card it yet to be supported fully.



Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Aug 2011, 04:33:09 pm
In all previous SDK release notes it was clearly stated in footnote that 5970 was only supported in single GPU mode. Now there is no "single" in release notes, or info stating multi gpu is not supported on 5970.

As for HD 6990 - it's not on the supported list, so I guess this card it yet to be supported fully.



5970 is already supported i know.
But i´m almost certain not multiple GPU feature.
Can´t remember where i readed it.

To be honest i´m glad if i´m wrong on that.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Aug 2011, 04:34:26 pm
AMD APP SDK 2.5 RC2 is available for download

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx

Claggy

Its full version now.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 05 Aug 2011, 02:52:32 am
AMD APP SDK 2.5 RC2 is available for download

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx

Claggy

Its full version now.

Still RC2. Release link gives not found 404 error
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 05 Aug 2011, 04:31:35 am
AMD APP SDK 2.5 RC2 is available for download

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx

Claggy

Its full version now.

Still RC2. Release link gives not found 404 error
If your get the URL for the 32bit release, and edit it to the 64bit filename, then the download works,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 05 Aug 2011, 07:21:04 am
AMD APP SDK 2.5 RC2 is available for download

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx

Claggy

Its full version now.

Still RC2. Release link gives not found 404 error
If your get the URL for the 32bit release, and edit it to the 64bit filename, then the download works,

Claggy

ROFL, if such tricks required only to get this SDK I could imagine how it will work after that.... better stay with older one for now ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 05 Aug 2011, 07:26:12 am
LoL, maybe they shifted the bug department into the web server division & now the SDK & drivers will be bug free  ;D
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 05 Aug 2011, 11:50:40 am
AMD APP SDK 2.5 RC2 is available for download

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx

Claggy

Its full version now.

Still RC2. Release link gives not found 404 error
If your get the URL for the 32bit release, and edit it to the 64bit filename, then the download works,

Claggy

ROFL, if such tricks required only to get this SDK I could imagine how it will work after that.... better stay with older one for now ;)

I´ve downloaded full version without any problems last night.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 05 Aug 2011, 11:51:24 am
I have the 64-bit version downloading now.

It will not do any good at the moment as I am running only Nvidia currently.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 05 Aug 2011, 11:54:19 am
I have the 64-bit version downloading now.

It will not do any good at the moment as I am running only Nvidia currently.

LoL
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 09 Aug 2011, 02:15:22 am
How important to know not only marketing hypes and hardware specifications but SDK capabilities too:
http://forums.amd.com/devforum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=149524&enterthread=y

Quote
concurrent kernel execution is not supported in SDK 2.4 and not planned for 2.5 either.

-------------------------
Micah Villmow
Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
--------------------------------
The information presented in this document is for informational purposes only and may contain technical inaccuracies, omissions and typographical errors. Links to third party sites are for convenience only, and no endorsement is implied.

So, forget about FERMI-like capabilities of HD6xxx at least for next half year. BTW, it would be nice to get direct confirmation that so discussed FERMI capabilities per se are supported in NV SDK...
Running few tasks at once on FERMI GPU doesn't means anything in this context, kernel overlapping behavior is required.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 09 Aug 2011, 02:19:51 am
Aha, and for nVidia...:

Quote
I also have a NVIDIA Fermi card, and there is no way to get concurrent kernels on that using their OpenCL (driver v280.19 w/ OpenCL 1.1), with either single out-of-order queue or multiple queues.  You can get concurrent kernels using CUDA Runtime API, but then it's not in OpenCL.

Ken
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 09 Aug 2011, 08:37:30 am
280.26 WHQL is out.  If 280.19 is anything to go by it might me worth a look for many.  Will test it myself here soon.

[Later:] Similar performance with experimental optimised code to 280.19 beta driver here, Temps reached 107 degrees C.

Device: GeForce GTX 480, 1640 MHz clock, 1503 MB memory.
Compute capability 2.0
Compiled with CUDA 3020.

                Chirp Unit test #3d (double Chirp)

Stock:
  Processing...
 Done!
  GFlops Avg(   68.94) Peak(   68.95) Min(   68.90)
  GB/s   Avg(   91.91) Peak(   91.93) Min(   91.87)


Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru 156.4984 GB/s, 195.6230 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru 149.9762 GB/s, 187.4702 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru 159.4488 GB/s, 199.3110 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru 164.2478 GB/s, 205.3098 GFlops

Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru 154.4557 GB/s, 193.0696 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru 170.7901 GB/s, 213.4876 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru 163.2162 GB/s, 204.0203 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru 162.6486 GB/s, 203.3107 GFlops

Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru 161.0965 GB/s, 201.3706 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru 160.4949 GB/s, 200.6186 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru 164.0530 GB/s, 205.0662 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru 160.4640 GB/s, 200.5800 GFlops

Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 256 - pk thru 162.5058 GB/s, 203.1322 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 256 - pk thru 148.2003 GB/s, 185.2503 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 256 - pk thru 161.9992 GB/s, 202.4989 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 256 -  N/A


Too hot.  I'll invent some way to throttle optimisations back....  ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 09 Aug 2011, 09:06:51 am
Let me eat lunch first, then I'll download it and run chirp test on the 420M (we have temps for that, too). Just 3d, or would any of the others be useful?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 09 Aug 2011, 09:10:19 am
Let me eat lunch first, then I'll download it and run chirp test on the 420M (we have temps for that, too). Just 3d, or would any of the others be useful?

Anything you can throw into the mix might turn out useful.  The current suspicion (of mine)  is that some of my kernels are simply 'too hot', so that throws some factory OC'd models over the edge.  Probably treading new ground then, so some effective way to handle things might be in order (like advanced user flags + failsafes).  We'll See.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 09 Aug 2011, 09:23:03 am
From my 465 with the 280.26 drivers:

Device: GeForce GTX 465, 1450 MHz clock, 993 MB memory.
Compute capability 2.0
Compiled with CUDA 3020.

                Chirp Unit test #3d (double Chirp)

Stock:
  Processing...
 Done!
  GFlops Avg(   43.42) Peak(   43.49) Min(   43.07)
  GB/s   Avg(   57.90) Peak(   57.99) Min(   57.42)


Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru  98.4503 GB/s, 123.0628 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru  95.3779 GB/s, 119.2224 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru  97.0317 GB/s, 121.2896 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 64 - pk thru  94.1059 GB/s, 117.6324 GFlops

Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru  99.5902 GB/s, 124.4878 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru  96.2985 GB/s, 120.3731 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru  94.9835 GB/s, 118.7293 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 128 - pk thru  96.1054 GB/s, 120.1318 GFlops

Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru  98.2473 GB/s, 122.8092 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru  95.6510 GB/s, 119.5637 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru  96.5704 GB/s, 120.7129 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 192 - pk thru  95.4054 GB/s, 119.2568 GFlops

Opt: Elems/thrd 1, thrds/blk 256 - pk thru  98.5406 GB/s, 123.1758 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 2, thrds/blk 256 - pk thru  95.8551 GB/s, 119.8189 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 4, thrds/blk 256 - pk thru  96.5229 GB/s, 120.6536 GFlops
Opt: Elems/thrd 8, thrds/blk 256 -  N/A


Card peaked @ 68c whilst running the last block
I'll run the rest and see if I get any different results to last time
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 09 Aug 2011, 09:25:50 am
Hmmm. Yes, the notebook 280.26 WHQL driver is available too. And there's a special note:

Quote from: NVIDIA
For the best experience, NVIDIA strongly recommends installing the following DELL SBIOS update before installing the NVIDIA notebook reference driver.

Installing this driver without the latest Dell SBIOS may cause the system fan noise to become more noticeable.

Since my fan is running full-blast all day, every day (it's positively distracting when an MB task finishes, and it cools down and reduces the fan speed for 10 seconds or so), that doesn't worry me - but it's interesting that they mention it.

What's an SBIOS?

Oh, OK - it takes me to a "System BIOS" page. For mine, version A08, released August 1st 2011.  That's interesting, too. Might be something they discovered in Beta or pre-beta.

Later - updated the BIOS, installed 280.26 Here's the full set of ChirpTest results. Conditions are slightly different from last time - I ran these immediately after the reboot, before starting BOINC, so the CPU was effectively unloaded: last time, BOINC was running, and I just suspended GPU crunching. But each set is internally consistent. Temperatures seemed lower during the ChirpTest, perhaps because of that. Now I'm back to normal running, the GPU temperature is stable at 71C, much as it was before the upgrade.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 09 Aug 2011, 11:58:31 am
Quote from: Richard Haselgrove link=topic=708.msg40803#msg40803
...Temperatures seemed lower during the ChirpTest, perhaps because of that. Now I'm back to normal running, the GPU temperature is stable at 71C, much as it was before the upgrade.

Thanks.  Still seems pretty warm to me for 16 GFlops, but I suppose it is a mobile chipset & those tend to be rated for higher temps IIRC.

In the meantime, my mother's new i5 w/560ti has come together well, and has been passing all Pre-Boinc/Lunatics stress & burn-in tests etc.  When I can eventually get Mum off it, we'll be able to compare a few of the issues...  [Have made sure it has the 280.26 WHQL driver just now]

...Only problem so far is that she chose all good gear with the intent of making it last for at least a few years, so now it completely hoses my wolfdale/480 machine, is much smaller, quieter, cooler & more efficient , so getting her off of it for long testing periods might be tricky (at least for a while).

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 09 Aug 2011, 01:05:04 pm
...Only problem so far is that she chose all good gear...

She didn't have any, er, assistance in making that choice, did she - by any chance?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 09 Aug 2011, 01:31:21 pm
Quote from: Richard Haselgrove link=topic=708.msg40806#msg40806
She didn't have any, er, assistance in making that choice, did she - by any chance?

LoL, 'course she did... options above & below given.  She has expensive tastes & the Aussie dollar is high (or everywhere else is in the toilet)  :D  ( The mistake was letting her play games on my machine beforehand, so naturally she wanted better, but quieter, smaller & prettier  ::) )
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 09 Aug 2011, 06:55:42 pm
I just installed the new driver on my GTX560 machine, will see how it does with it.

I am coming back up from 270.48 that I installed trying to find the desktop bug I am still seeing.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 09 Aug 2011, 06:58:49 pm
...
I am coming back up from 270.48 that I installed trying to find the desktop bug I am still seeing.

Is that the one where some firefox menus drew over the task bar ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 09 Aug 2011, 07:03:26 pm
This is one where the desktop forces itself into focus every 30 minutes, annoying when you are just surfing but infuriating when you are playing a full screen game.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 09 Aug 2011, 07:06:16 pm
LoL, Ok that would be annoying.  No I never had that one & am not sure how a display driver would change focus.

[Edit:] for some reason it reminds me of the old Microsoft Word Paperclip Guy  :o
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 09 Aug 2011, 07:31:57 pm
If worse come to it, I will put the GTX560 in the Q8200 machine and put the HD5830 in the AMD Quad core machine and go from there.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 11 Aug 2011, 04:27:28 am
After a couple of days running NVidia 280.26 on the 420M (update from 275.33), I'm seeing a consistent improvement on Einstein tasks - saving ~500 seconds on ~7,000 second tasks. CPU time has also come down, but by a smaller proportion. Einstein is probably not such an intensive app as the ones we make here, but the uniform runtime makes it easier to compare.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 15 Aug 2011, 04:08:02 am
Any word on memory usage for the folks with 256Mb cards?

260.xx leaves about 240Mb for processing, 270 series was bringing that down to unsable levels. How about 280?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 15 Aug 2011, 09:11:41 am
How about 280?
  considerably better I'm told
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 17 Aug 2011, 04:23:46 pm

ATI CAL 11.8 is out.

http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_vista-64.aspx

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 17 Aug 2011, 07:27:26 pm
I might end up loading that one once I finish rebuilding my AMD machine, I think I will end up with a mixed GPU environment for testing purposes.

Primary will be my ATI HD5830 and the GTX560 will go in the second slot.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 17 Aug 2011, 07:31:46 pm
I might end up loading that one once I finish rebuilding my AMD machine, I think I will end up with a mixed GPU environment for testing purposes.

Primary will be my ATI HD5830 and the GTX560 will go in the second slot.
When i tested the preview version of Cat 11.8, OpenCL apps consumed lots of CPU time, just like Cat 11.7, and the Nvidia 27x.xx and later drivers,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 17 Aug 2011, 08:12:50 pm
I will be primarily running Collatz on the 5830 so that would not really affect me there.

I might even go back to an earlier build since I have an older card.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: efmer (fred) on 18 Aug 2011, 06:27:08 am
Installed 280.26 on two of my Win 7 64 machines with GTX 295.

One produced a BSOD or hang ever couple of hours and produced Seti errors. Back to 280.26 no problems yet.

Other one produced  no errors but only about 16 second runtime before it finished (Seti enhanced), with an extremely high CPU load of 100%, more than normal.
I already noticed the RAC going down on that machine.....
Did a restart, that didn't solve a thing.
Back to 208.26 and it works just fine.
Using the latest Lunatics installer.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Aug 2011, 10:38:04 am
Fred, you're getting me really confused here.

Installed 280.26 on two of my Win 7 64 machines with GTX 295.

One produced a BSOD or hang ever couple of hours and produced Seti errors. Back to 280.26 no problems yet.

Other one produced  no errors but only about 16 second runtime before it finished (Seti enhanced), with an extremely high CPU load of 100%, more than normal.
I already noticed the RAC going down on that machine.....
Did a restart, that didn't solve a thing.
Back to 208.26 and it works just fine.
Using the latest Lunatics installer.

You installed 280.26, you had problems, you went back to 280.26, and then you went back to 280.26 again and now it's OK?

Other one produced  no errors but only about 16 second runtime before it finished (Seti enhanced), with an extremely high CPU load of 100%, more than normal.

That sounds typical for a -9 overflow. There are a lot about.

I already noticed the RAC going down on that machine.....

Don't rely on RAC, it reacts far too slowly, and often in the opposite direction.

When work supply is bad, my RAC goes up, because my wingmates crunch the pending work I'm waiting for.
When work supply is good, my RAC goes down, because the buggers stuff it away in a cache instead, so my pendings go up.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 18 Aug 2011, 01:56:11 pm

When i tested the preview version of Cat 11.8, OpenCL apps consumed lots of CPU time, just like Cat 11.7, and the Nvidia 27x.xx and later drivers,

Claggy

And as far as I can tell they haven't fixed the issue in the release version either
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 19 Aug 2011, 01:54:18 pm
How about 280?
  considerably better I'm told
installed the latest Nvidia driver and I can confirm the memory mamangement was improvement compared to 277.

With 280.26 installed, I get this in Boinc :
19/08/2011 19:41:13      NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8600 GTS (driver version unknown, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 1.1, 240MB, 96 GFLOPS peak)

so just like before.
Let's see in a few hours how it performs.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 19 Aug 2011, 02:17:49 pm
... NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8600 GTS (driver version unknown, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 1.1, 240MB, 96 GFLOPS peak)

is that an Optimus notebook/platform ? I've provided a fix for this to Berkeley via messenger pigeon.  It's cosmetic only really, but very annoying. That should be fixed in some future Boinc (It's not a driver problem).

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: efmer (fred) on 20 Aug 2011, 05:21:05 am
Fred, you're getting me really confused here.

Me too  ;D.

I tried 280.26 on 2 computers and had to back to 275.33. 275.33 works just fine.
But this is a driver pack and drivers are probably specific to certain cards.

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 20 Aug 2011, 07:01:54 am
is there any improvement with last ATI 11.8??
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 20 Aug 2011, 03:45:00 pm
Hello Fred:

            i notice that you are only linking to Throttle and BoincTasks.
Do you no longer support/reccomend your rescheduler ?

      i recall recently seeing some discussion of whether it was neccessary or
desireable any longer with some of the recent changes in TaskManager.

      Not looking to open a can of worms here but i would like to hear what you have
to say and what settings you would suggest. intel corei7 920 CPU, 12 gigs tri channel DDR3.
GTS 250 and GTX460 GPU's
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 21 Aug 2011, 04:07:48 am
... NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8600 GTS (driver version unknown, CUDA version 4000, compute capability 1.1, 240MB, 96 GFLOPS peak)

is that an Optimus notebook/platform ? I've provided a fix for this to Berkeley via messenger pigeon.  It's cosmetic only really, but very annoying. That should be fixed in some future Boinc (It's not a driver problem).

Jason
No it is a desktop PC. I'm still running Boinc client version 6.10.60 if it matters.

So far it is running fine. It seems to be slightly faster too although for some task it ends in < 30s (using X38g)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 21 Aug 2011, 05:31:59 am
OK, you must have just found some other weird configuration that Boinc driver version detection (cosmetic) fails under.  Just checking  :)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 21 Aug 2011, 06:15:04 am
Out of curiosity, how many entries are there in the 'display adapters' section of device manager - and what else is listed, apart from your 8600 GTS? (i'm thinking motherboard video here).
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 21 Aug 2011, 09:57:54 am
is there any improvement with last ATI 11.8??

Have tried 11.8. SDK 2.5 yesterday.

CPU times was nearly the same as GPU time on my host.
Since i see same behaviour on new nvidia drivers (OpenCL) i get the impression its by design.


Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 21 Aug 2011, 02:04:39 pm
Out of curiosity, how many entries are there in the 'display adapters' section of device manager - and what else is listed, apart from your 8600 GTS? (i'm thinking motherboard video here).
It is a mixed host having an ATI 4550 (soon to be replaced by a 6670) along with the 8600 GTS.

For this BOINC client AMD card is disabled by use of cc_config.xml  (I run a boinc deamon for each Nvidia/AMD/CPU)

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 21 Aug 2011, 07:16:19 pm
OK, you must have just found some other weird configuration that Boinc driver version detection (cosmetic) fails under.  Just checking  :)

Yup, I reckon that qualifies as 'one David didn't think of'  ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 21 Aug 2011, 07:25:26 pm
Yup, I reckon that qualifies as 'one David didn't think of'  ::)

LoL, to be fair (this time), the particular nvApi call definition in question does loosley imply iterating through active displays is needed.  Too bad if you interpret it that way that it will miss systems with no active display attached to an nVidia GPU, such as idling Optimus & crunching only cards like Tesla with no display driven by an nVidia GPU.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: efmer (fred) on 22 Aug 2011, 09:37:16 am
i notice that you are only linking to Throttle and BoincTasks.
Do you no longer support/reccomend your rescheduler ?
A bit off topic.
Not super active, as the need for a rescheduler is low. But I released an updated V 2.6 no too long ago.
http://www.efmer.eu/forum_tt/index.php?topic=428.0
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pepi on 22 Aug 2011, 06:01:40 pm
"driver version unknown, CUDA version 4000,"
I get this "error" all the time, and it is Boinc related.
When I got it: under windows 7 I use GPU on motherboard for monitor, and Nvidia 560 TI for crunching. So nothing is connected to Nvidia, and then I get tis message. If I disable on-board GPU, and user Nvidia for picture and crunching, then all is ok, driver version is known...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 23 Aug 2011, 03:24:14 am
Yup so that is exactly the same as me with a 8600 with no display attached.

The "no display attached" seems to be the key to driver version detecion failing
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 25 Aug 2011, 12:58:39 pm
I think we ought to ask Jason if he can supply you with either a modified copy of BOINC, or the test probe we used to track down the problem originally, to confirm that they fix the issues for both benool amd Pepi - David Anderson has accepted the patch for 'Optimus' laptop chipsets for the next version of BOINC, but I'd like to know whether it'll work for you too as well, or whether there is still something else which needs tracking down.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 25 Aug 2011, 10:01:32 pm
Easiest would be to just try the test piece I made.  The original Boinc code works on my system since I have a display attached to it, but I'd expect your systems to show 'Unknown' for the Boinc method, and the correct version for the QuickFix2.

Attached nvApiTest, 7zip archived,with Example screenshot from mine (where the original Boinc method works).  Please extract the exe from the archive & run it on those systems where Boinc shows 'Unknown':


Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 26 Aug 2011, 11:46:06 am
There you go.

Seems to work! Congrats.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 26 Aug 2011, 12:53:36 pm
Thanks for the verification.  Yeah it was a relatively trivial cosmetic, but oddly annoying, problem.  As mentioned the updated code was passed onto Berkeley, and I see no reason it shouldn't function the same way there when they get around to a build with the change. 

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 26 Aug 2011, 01:49:58 pm
I've already sent a PM to Pepi, asking if he can pop back and perforn the same test (let's hope he has notifications going to the right email address).

If that works, I'll pass both reports back to Berkeley at the same time - no point going off half-cocked.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pepi on 27 Aug 2011, 04:42:34 am
Hi  :)
Works like charm :)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 27 Aug 2011, 04:46:42 am
That's great, thanks.

The second line is just reproducing the way that BOINC does things, confirming the same error as you reported in this thread. Then the third line proves that Jason's correction of the bug works on your system too - which is what we wanted to check. I'll go and tell David the news.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pepi on 27 Aug 2011, 04:48:31 am
Ok, I am glad can help in any :)
Just now I am on Primegrid challenge, so  no GPU using only CPU :(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 01 Sep 2011, 09:11:02 am
From  APP SDK 2.5:

OpenCL can now be used by a Windows service.

Anyone checked this alredy?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: _heinz on 02 Sep 2011, 02:37:19 am
Thanks for the verification.  Yeah it was a relatively trivial cosmetic, but oddly annoying, problem.  As mentioned the updated code was passed onto Berkeley, and I see no reason it shouldn't function the same way there when they get around to a build with the change. 

Jason
Hi Jason,
Any news from Berkeley ? Is the code already inserted into any boinc version ?
here a picture from nvApiTest6 (http://www.britta-d.de/images/seti/nvApiTest6.jpg) on laptop GT540M
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 02 Sep 2011, 03:19:27 am
I believe it's in the trunk code, but I don't keep track of when development releases are rolled out for testing, so couldn't tell you whether they made a build with it yet.  If you have a Boinc checkout, you could use the repository browser to see what revision number the latest tags are, then compare revision numbers & dates against the trunk logs. 

In any case, it's great that you all found the fix applies to other scenarios in addition to isle Optimus platforms.  Funnily enough it's the stupid cosmetic bugs like this I find the most annoying.  I guess because they are 'in your face' the most  ;).

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 02 Sep 2011, 05:06:13 am
The fix was applied to the trunk code at revision 24046.

The trunk code is currently being used to build BOINC v6.13.1 (will be BOINC 6.14.xx or BOINC v7 eventually - a long way from being ready yet)

For a working BOINC, you would need to build from the boinc_core_release_6_10 or boinc_core_release_6_12 branch: neither of those contain the fix yet. And there hasn't been a new build - even of the experimental v6.13 - since the fix was applied.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 05 Sep 2011, 06:28:52 am
Could one of our resident ATI driver gurus have a look at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6846, please?

It's always been the case that NVidia drivers are inaccessible to BOINC installed in 'Protected Application Execution' (aka 'service') mode under Windows Vista and Windows 7.

The posters in that thread seem to be implying that ATI drivers up to and including 11.6 could be used in service mode, but 11.7 and onwards have moved towards the NVidia behaviour. Is that a change which the people who monitor such things can corroborate?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 05 Sep 2011, 06:42:51 am
Could one of our resident ATI driver gurus have a look at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6846, please?
........
The posters in that thread seem to be implying that ATI drivers up to and including 11.6 could be used in service mode, but 11.7 and onwards have moved towards the NVidia behaviour. Is that a change which the people who monitor such things can corroborate?

I'm running 11.5 drivers and Win 7, so when I get home I'll have a look at installing Boinc in service mode and see what happens
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 05 Sep 2011, 07:22:21 am
NVidia behaviour

ROFL, you mean Microsoft WDDM + KHRonos Consortium behaviour....

We have a colourful expression in Australia, that is  'Pissing into the wind'.  Yes MS-DOS runs things faster....
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 05 Sep 2011, 07:42:51 am
I had no connection issues with 11.7 and 11.8.
But i dont use boinc as service.
Also i had SDK 2.5 dev installed in addition.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 05 Sep 2011, 09:51:54 am
Could one of our resident ATI driver gurus have a look at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=6846, please?

It's always been the case that NVidia drivers are inaccessible to BOINC installed in 'Protected Application Execution' (aka 'service') mode under Windows Vista and Windows 7.

The posters in that thread seem to be implying that ATI drivers up to and including 11.6 could be used in service mode, but 11.7 and onwards have moved towards the NVidia behaviour. Is that a change which the people who monitor such things can corroborate?

Even with the 9.x drivers, I could not install in service mode and have BOINC see my video cards. Same with the 10.x and 11.x versions.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 05 Sep 2011, 10:07:35 am
OK folks, stand down - false alarm. The OP has come back and re-posted in the thread I linked, explaining clearly what he means this time. Appears to be a BOINC client problem with restarting after a reboot, with 11.7 or later drivers.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 05 Sep 2011, 01:23:30 pm
BUT (!) ATi claims that starting from SDK 2.5 OpenCL can be used in service mode...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 05 Sep 2011, 01:29:50 pm
BUT (!) ATi claims that starting from SDK 2.5 OpenCL can be used in service mode...

'can' and whether Boinc fully implements the required new procedures are two different things.  Cuda apps 'can' too, but there is required a protected part & a user mode part for those.  If AMD found a way to make it work completely transparently then good show, but I do expect some code gymnastics would be required even then.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 05 Sep 2011, 04:44:42 pm
BUT (!) ATi claims that starting from SDK 2.5 OpenCL can be used in service mode...

Is that like ATI saying they will resolve the high CPU usage in Cat 11.8 & SDK2.5  ::) :D

'can' and whether Boinc fully implements the required new procedures are two different things.  Cuda apps 'can' too, but there is required a protected part & a user mode part for those.  If AMD found a way to make it work completely transparently then good show, but I do expect some code gymnastics would be required even then.

Jason

I've just tested this out of idle curiosity, and with Boinc installed in protected execution mode, and Cat 11.8 SDK2.5 installed, Boinc mngr can't connect to the client let alone see the GPU
I'd love to be able to run Boinc as a service, but think there's a way to go before it gets there
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 05 Sep 2011, 05:00:04 pm
Is that like ATI saying they will resolve the high CPU usage in Cat 11.8 & SDK2.5  ::) :D

Pretty much.  That statement would imply they will rewind 2 years of OpenCL (& GPU compute in general) development.  I'd say more likely that's some default template response to complaints.  GPU supercompute & the technologies they rely on are changing too quickly to maintain outdated methods. 

The way to 'fix' the new drivers, bearing in mind they aren't really 'broken' as such (at least not in that respect), would be to provide better / clearer documentation & api for synchronisation, which of course requires application modifications.   Maybe they'll cock-up some legacy mode or some such, but the old methods of blocking synchronisation are simply outdated, and fundamentally incompatible with future tech... [Too many interrupts in too short of a time frame, and getting worse with every newer faster model, amplified by packing more cards into the same machine.  Desktop multithreaded OSes are designed to work  with time slices around 1ms... not fast enough for 1 card using blocking syncs & small kernels even! ]

 This Includes the blocking syncronisation used in current Cuda applications, and the modifications needed moving forward are the subject of heavy research by many, e.g:

http://www.gputechconf.com/content/GTC/posters/2010/P01-GPU-to-CPU-Callbacks.pdf

OpenCL 1.1 has some of that stuff already.... I could use it on Cuda now, if it existed... I'm hoping it will appear in Cuda 4.1 (or else I'll have to roll my own using OS primitives)

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 05 Sep 2011, 05:10:09 pm
I've just tested this out of idle curiosity, and with Boinc installed in protected execution mode, and Cat 11.8 SDK2.5 installed, Boinc mngr can't connect to the client let alone see the GPU
I'd love to be able to run Boinc as a service, but think there's a way to go before it gets there

If you read Jorden's latest addition to the BOINC thread, it seems that the Manager can't connect to the Client because the client isn't running. And the client doesn't run because of some problem between boincsvcctrl.exe and the new ATI software (I won't categorise it as a 'driver', because that would have no purpose living in the same space as a service control manager). In any event, that's well outside our sphere of interest - Jord has forwarded it to the BOINC developers.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 07 Sep 2011, 12:42:35 pm
After some time running Catalyst 11.8 and now going back to 11.6 I can confirm that the 11.8 driver are facing performance issues with OpenCL (at least with my 6670).

With 11.8 I would get constant and continuous 100% CPU usage (of one core) as soon as a GPU task was running.

With 11.6 I get the described 80% of one core usage with times where the CPU usage is much lower.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 16 Sep 2011, 03:18:55 pm
285.27 has been released in beta
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-285.27-beta-driver.html
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 17 Sep 2011, 05:48:55 am
With 11.8 I would get constant and continuous 100% CPU usage (of one core) as soon as a GPU task was running.

This seems to be fixed with 11.9RC. But not for multi-GPU setups. ... %$!?@# AMD/ATI  ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 17 Sep 2011, 06:42:57 am
This seems to be fixed with 11.9RC. But not for multi-GPU setups. ... %$!?@# AMD/ATI  ::)

Thanks for this pointer Frizz. Got the 11.9RC drivers working on my 5670, with only a couple of % CPU usage on r365 ;D Finally it looks like ATI are getting there. Will test later that it's the same with ATI AP tasks
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 17 Sep 2011, 02:06:03 pm
This seems to be fixed with 11.9RC. But not for multi-GPU setups. ... %$!?@# AMD/ATI  ::)

Thanks for this pointer Frizz. Got the 11.9RC drivers working on my 5670, with only a couple of % CPU usage on r365 ;D Finally it looks like ATI are getting there. Will test later that it's the same with ATI AP tasks

Anyone can confirm CPU usage reduction with 11.9RC for HD6xxx GPUs ?

Also, link to drivers would be nice...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 17 Sep 2011, 03:06:13 pm
Anyone can confirm CPU usage reduction with 11.9RC for HD6xxx GPUs ?

Also, link to drivers would be nice...

Here's a link to Guru3d who have the drivers http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-Catalyst-11.9-RCx-Win7-Vista-download-2783.html
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 17 Sep 2011, 03:09:47 pm
Anyone can confirm CPU usage reduction with 11.9RC for HD6xxx GPUs ?

Also, link to drivers would be nice...

Here's a link to Guru3d who have the drivers http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-Catalyst-11.9-RCx-Win7-Vista-download-2783.html

LoL, now we will use stealed ATi drivers and AMD can wash its hands if they will not work ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 17 Sep 2011, 03:17:59 pm
285.27 has been released in beta
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-285.27-beta-driver.html
Anyone know if CPU usage has been reduced on OpenCL apps with this driver?

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 17 Sep 2011, 03:21:29 pm
285.27 has been released in beta
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-285.27-beta-driver.html
Anyone know if CPU usage has been reduced on OpenCL apps with this driver?

Claggy

They haven't, I'm still getting full CPU core usage running nv AP r521 tasks with them
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 17 Sep 2011, 03:26:16 pm
Looks like AMD ahead then ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 17 Sep 2011, 03:27:29 pm
Looks like AMD ahead then ;)

or not as far back  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 17 Sep 2011, 07:36:51 pm
I am getting errors on Collatz using this driver though. It is crashing right at the end of computing the work unit with "Unhandled Exception Detected...

- Unhandled Exception Record -
Reason: Access Violation (0xc0000005) at address 0x00754F4E read attempt to address 0x040F2C58"

The address is different every time, of course some work has run just fine as well.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 17 Sep 2011, 11:42:41 pm
Right at the end of a task ?  Fancy that! LoL.  ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 18 Sep 2011, 04:33:35 am
Looks like AMD ahead then ;)

or not as far back  ;D ;D ;D


Dont think so.  :P
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 18 Sep 2011, 06:46:08 am
Right at the end of a task ?  Fancy that! LoL.  ::)

I think part of the problem is he is running CUDA 3.1 and 285.xx is CUDA 4.1.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 18 Sep 2011, 09:05:49 am
I think part of the problem is he is running CUDA 3.1 and 285.xx is CUDA 4.1.

Only bug I ever managed to find in Cuda 3.1 is mixing Fermi & Pre-Fermi generation cards running CuFFT in the same host.  Other than that, shouldn't be an issue (except for the non-threadsafe app thing that is ).  [Edit:] Note carefully the ongoing pattern of pointing blame at drivers automatically, when in fact the majority of identified flaws (so far) end up being latent application code flaws (and some bugs too).
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Geek@Play on 18 Sep 2011, 11:15:05 am
I don't know if I am posting in the correct thread but I will take a chance.

Referencing the problem of having excessively high cpu run time on the OpenCL science apps when using the newer video drivers (Version 270+).  Is this a video driver fault or an Opencl app fault?  I am using NVIDIA so specially interested in this fault on this product.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 18 Sep 2011, 04:10:32 pm
I don't know if I am posting in the correct thread but I will take a chance.

Referencing the problem of having excessively high cpu run time on the OpenCL science apps when using the newer video drivers (Version 270+).  Is this a video driver fault or an Opencl app fault?  I am using NVIDIA so specially interested in this fault on this product.

Thanks.
1) Older drivers show low CPU consumption.
2) I'm not aware how I can circumvent this issue from app side with new drivers.
3) Same problem on ATI (high CPU usage) confirmed as driver bug and should be fixed in new Catalyst version

So? ...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 18 Sep 2011, 07:02:16 pm
I just put Collatz on NNT for the time being, I have been lucky and gotten some Einstein GPU work at least. The other possibility is to add the CUDA app for Milkyway into my app_info and crunch it on both cards for a little while.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Geek@Play on 18 Sep 2011, 08:25:50 pm
Thanks Raistmer............

Guess we will wait until NVIDIA get's it worked out then.

Been running your AP OpenCL app for some time using driver 267.31 with no problems on my GTX 580.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 28 Sep 2011, 01:51:04 pm
The official Cat11.9 has just been released
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 29 Sep 2011, 12:07:39 am

Cat 11.10 preview released.

http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDCatalyst1110Previewdriver.aspx
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 29 Sep 2011, 02:55:48 pm

Cat 11.10 preview released.

http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDCatalyst1110Previewdriver.aspx
O, no... benchmarking again...  ;D
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 29 Sep 2011, 03:18:25 pm
At least this one is an official preview this time.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 29 Sep 2011, 05:58:24 pm
Just started updating to 11.9, so no previews for me for testing, please.  ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 04 Oct 2011, 04:09:26 pm
Posted link to 11.10 preview is broken. Someone has new one or binary itself? I want to try it...

EDIT: ok, found it already: http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst1110Previewdriver.aspx
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 08 Oct 2011, 06:33:15 am
Cat 11.10 preview V2 released.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU122AMDCat1110PreDriverV2.aspx
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 08 Oct 2011, 05:41:15 pm
Not sure if this is the right topic to ask this, so my apologies if this was misplaced:

I installed the NVidia 285.38 drivers last night (these were the recommended drivers for Rage), and today, around 13:30, my computer encountered a STOP 0x0000003B error.

The system ran fine without any such problems when I was still using the latest WHQL drivers (280.26). Have other people here encountered similar errors with the latest BETA drivers?

Currently rebooted, going to keep a close eye on this the coming few days and if it keeps crashing, I'll go back to 280.26.

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 08 Oct 2011, 06:04:42 pm
...The system ran fine without any such problems when I was still using the latest WHQL drivers (280.26). Have other people here encountered similar errors with the latest BETA drivers?...

Have made the transition myelf yesterday on my main machine (with GTX 480), and not had such incidents (yet) but there's still time  :)  ... Something rings a bell with what you describe though, though I can't place it.  Did you use the 'clean install' advanced option ?

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 08 Oct 2011, 06:06:37 pm
...The system ran fine without any such problems when I was still using the latest WHQL drivers (280.26). Have other people here encountered similar errors with the latest BETA drivers?...

Have made the transition myelf yesterday on my main machine (with GTX 480), and not had such incidents (yet) but there's still time  :)  ... Something rings a bell with what you describe though, though I can't place it.  Did you use the 'clean install' advanced option ?


Yes, I used the Advanced -> Clean Install option. (I always do ever since NVidia introduced this option...)

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 08 Oct 2011, 06:15:50 pm
Yes, I used the Advanced -> Clean Install option. (I always do ever since NVidia introduced this option...)

I'd suggest if the crashes persist then, on the off chance they don't have all the kinks completely worked out with the Beta driver, indeed go back to a clean install of the last WHQL.

Sometimes, due to the way modern Windows caches drivers for quick boot, simply booting into safe mode then rebooting back into normal mode can clear out some gremlins.  It's weird, but works for a few specific issues I can name, that otherwise look like broken hardware/drivers.

Jason.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 08 Oct 2011, 09:20:24 pm
I also installed 285.38 yesterday on my GTX560 and have not seen any problems on my end.

Mine was a install over the old version though.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 09 Oct 2011, 03:37:58 am
Cat 11.10 preview V2 released.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/GPU122AMDCat1110PreDriverV2.aspx


The 100% CPU load problem for multi-GPU systems is still there.

AMD seriously sucks!  >:(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: skildude on 09 Oct 2011, 07:13:20 pm
IT looks like the drivers are almost just made for people playing the game RAGE.  No real quality improvements mentioned on the 11.10 driver readme.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 10 Oct 2011, 01:29:53 pm
No improvements also on 64 bit linux 11.9 driver. Seems to behave identical to 11.7 + 11.8 . Switched the two GPU host back to 11.6  >:(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 10 Oct 2011, 03:30:02 pm
Time to burn AMD... http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=155039&startpage=1
 with Cat 11.10 preview 2 I getting invalids on each and every test WU....  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 10 Oct 2011, 05:15:45 pm
Time to burn AMD... http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=155039&startpage=1
 with Cat 11.10 preview 2 I getting invalids on each and every test WU....  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(

Still waiting for any of my AP tasks to be validated using the 11.10v2 drivers all tasks reported on Oct. 10th (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6195918&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=5) were completed with the 11.10v2 drivers after clean Windows install so we'll see what happens with them :o

Edit: Just ran a quick AP Bench with 11.10v2 SDK2.5 & then 11.2 SDK2.4 results (attached) look fairly similar to me
Edit2: Previous ATI build was ran against CAL 1.4.1523 (can't remember what Cat version that is  :()
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 11 Oct 2011, 04:39:46 am
Time to burn AMD... http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=155039&startpage=1
 with Cat 11.10 preview 2 I getting invalids on each and every test WU....  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(  >:(

Still waiting for any of my AP tasks to be validated using the 11.10v2 drivers all tasks reported on Oct. 10th (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6195918&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=5) were completed with the 11.10v2 drivers after clean Windows install so we'll see what happens with them :o

Edit: Just ran a quick AP Bench with 11.10v2 SDK2.5 & then 11.2 SDK2.4 results (attached) look fairly similar to me
Edit2: Previous ATI build was ran against CAL 1.4.1523 (can't remember what Cat version that is  :()
I checked MB app.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 11 Oct 2011, 07:12:44 am
I checked MB app.

I only do ATI MB as a last resort if I can't get AP tasks for whatever reason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 24 Oct 2011, 09:45:42 pm
Just downloaded: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-285.62-whql-driver.html
almost afraid to install as big crunch here has been doing so well on  285.38 Beta.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 25 Oct 2011, 09:32:52 pm
Just downloaded: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-285.62-whql-driver.html
almost afraid to install as big crunch here has been doing so well on  285.38 Beta.

Have been running for 12 hours on two MSI GTX 560ti and so far all good - no down clocking as seen previously.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 26 Oct 2011, 02:44:59 pm
Just downloaded: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-64bit-285.62-whql-driver.html
almost afraid to install as big crunch here has been doing so well on  285.38 Beta.

Upgraded yesterday-evening, now almost 24 hours further, no apparent problems (Q6600 + 8800GTX).

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 26 Oct 2011, 10:26:30 pm
I will be doing a double upgrade later tonight, 285.62 and 6.13.9.

Lets hope for the best.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 27 Oct 2011, 12:55:32 am
6.13.9 does not work, something is not getting saved properly and it loses the client state.

I did a full backup of my BOINC folder and am back up and running with 6.12.39.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: perryjay on 27 Oct 2011, 02:45:35 pm
Downloaded and installed 285.62 yesterday. Running okay for me. Doesn't seem any slower than what I had before and no down clocking to report. My little GTS 450 seems to like it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 27 Oct 2011, 04:20:46 pm
6.13.9 does not work, something is not getting saved properly and it loses the client state.

I did a full backup of my BOINC folder and am back up and running with 6.12.39.

v6.13.10 is available now, and has solved the restart problem (it actually stored everything properly, it just had problems reading its own writings back in afterwards)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 31 Oct 2011, 07:11:39 pm
Cat 11.10 (final) is available on AMDs download servers for Windows and Linux. (They just have to update their websites.)  ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 01 Nov 2011, 07:29:10 am
Cat 11.10 (final) is available on AMDs download servers for Windows and Linux. (They just have to update their websites.)  ;)

It still has the 100% CPU load bug (at least for systems with > 1 GPU). And some other nasty bugs for Linux.

%#§?! AMD  ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 01 Nov 2011, 10:04:23 am
...And some other nasty bugs for Linux.
Using still SDK 2.4 on some openSuse 11.3, 64bit.
With the switch from Cat 11.9 to Cat 11.10 there are now the same problems introduced, that are hindering LHD4K mod to work on windows. Now stops on my HD4670, which worked ok for the last few month, not only the GPU but the whole host. Screen showing, host frozen. Definitly a driver problem killing our OpenCL (1.0?) efforts.

Have to check my other Linux hosts (openSuse 11.4, Ubuntu 10.10) if similar will happen there.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 01 Nov 2011, 03:30:29 pm
On Suse 11.4 now autocorrs are overflowing immediately when using Cat 11.10. Will switch back to previous driver. Cat 11.6 is still the one of choice for my two GPU host.
<stderr_out>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Number of period iterations for PulseFind setted to: 15
Running on device number: 0
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r375.cl
OpenCL platform detected: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Number of OpenCL devices found : 1
BOINC assigns 0 device, slots 0 to 0 (including) will be checked
Info : Building Program (clBuildProgram):main kernels: OK code 0

Linux optimized S@H v7 application (based on S@H Enhanced by Alex Kan)
Version info: SSE3 (AMD/Intel, Optimized v8-nographics), V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSE3 Linux64 Build 375 , Ported by : Jason G, Raistmer, JDWhale, Urs Echternacht

Original GPU DCT by Jason G

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r375

AMD HD5 version by Raistmer

Build: SSE3  System: Linux  x86_64  Kernel: 2.6.37.6-0.7-desktop
 CPU   : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500T CPU @ 2.30GHz
 4 core(s), Speed :  3201.000 MHz
 L1 : 64 KB, L2 : 6144 KB

Number of OpenCL platforms:             1


 OpenCL Platform Name:                AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
Number of devices:             1
  Max compute units:             6
  Max work group size:             256
  Max clock frequency:             800Mhz
  Max memory allocation:          134217728
  Cache type:                None
  Cache line size:             0
  Cache size:                0
  Global memory size:             536870912
  Constant buffer size:             65536
  Max number of constant args:          8
  Local memory type:             Scratchpad
  Local memory size:             32768
  Queue properties:            
    Out-of-Order:             No
  Name:                   Turks
  Vendor:                Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
  Driver version:             CAL 1.4.1589
  Version:                OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.5 (684.213)
  Extensions:                cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_ext_atomic_counters_32 cl_amd_device_attribute_query cl_amd_vec3 cl_amd_printf cl_amd_media_ops cl_amd_popcnt


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.008456
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5447, peak_power=140.2, bin=64484, fft_ind=0
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5253, peak_power=134.1, bin=14771, fft_ind=1
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5406, peak_power=138.9, bin=30001, fft_ind=2
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5439, peak_power=140, bin=16690, fft_ind=3
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5555, peak_power=143.7, bin=35093, fft_ind=4
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5482, peak_power=141.3, bin=20349, fft_ind=5
New autocorr logged:
score=0.572, peak_power=149.3, bin=65303, fft_ind=6
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5641, peak_power=146.6, bin=56811, fft_ind=7
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5527, peak_power=142.8, bin=64321, fft_ind=0
New autocorr logged:
score=0.517, peak_power=131.5, bin=44968, fft_ind=1
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5388, peak_power=138.3, bin=21885, fft_ind=2
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5372, peak_power=137.8, bin=37149, fft_ind=3
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5473, peak_power=141, bin=39324, fft_ind=4
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5484, peak_power=141.4, bin=27098, fft_ind=5
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5535, peak_power=143.1, bin=25439, fft_ind=6
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5332, peak_power=136.5, bin=43866, fft_ind=7
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5391, peak_power=138.4, bin=6430, fft_ind=0
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5415, peak_power=139.2, bin=51557, fft_ind=1
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5395, peak_power=138.5, bin=38147, fft_ind=2
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5419, peak_power=139.3, bin=37320, fft_ind=3
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5335, peak_power=136.6, bin=1918, fft_ind=4
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5517, peak_power=142.5, bin=20310, fft_ind=5
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5903, peak_power=155.7, bin=65349, fft_ind=6
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5332, peak_power=136.5, bin=43866, fft_ind=7
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5586, peak_power=144.8, bin=64321, fft_ind=0
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5227, peak_power=133.3, bin=18265, fft_ind=1
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5446, peak_power=140.2, bin=30001, fft_ind=2
New autocorr logged:
score=0.532, peak_power=136.1, bin=37352, fft_ind=3
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5485, peak_power=141.4, bin=17803, fft_ind=4
New autocorr logged:
score=0.5478, peak_power=141.2, bin=27058, fft_ind=5
OpenCL queue synchronized
SETI@Home Informational message -9 result_overflow
NOTE: The number of results detected exceeds the storage space allocated.

Flopcounter: 7903362043.636971

Spike count:    0
Autocorr count: 30
Pulse count:    0
Triplet count:  0
Gaussian count: 0
Wallclock time elapsed on cpu since last restart: 29.9 seconds
16:40:29 (7712): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>
</stderr_out>
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 01 Nov 2011, 03:57:45 pm
I wonder why AMD drivers are of such bad quality (recently). Maybe because they are internally already adding support for the new GCN architecture? And break support for "older" cards?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 01 Nov 2011, 07:58:00 pm
I wonder why AMD drivers are of such bad quality (recently). Maybe because they are internally already adding support for the new GCN architecture? And break support for "older" cards?
More that they never reached a "clean level" of having a minimum number of problems in a driver. Instead carrying this payload of problems with them makes it harder to implement something new(er) a way that it works.  :-\

Have finished testing Cat 11.10 on 64 bit linux meanwhile.

Resumee :
Unusable for our OpenCL GPU apps. Even fails with same error picture on Kubuntu 10.10.

My suggestion for tested 64bit linux distros :
With one GPU Cat 11.9 works best, with two Cat 11.6 works better.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 01 Nov 2011, 10:43:11 pm
We need to locate place of failure. I've seen the same with windows Cat preview.
still unknown where exactly data start to differ between driver versions.
Please, post your findings in corresponding thread on AMD forum too.
http://forums.amd.com/devforum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=155591&enterthread=y
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 02 Nov 2011, 08:37:26 am
We need to locate place of failure. I've seen the same with windows Cat preview.
still unknown where exactly data start to differ between driver versions.
Please, post your findings in corresponding thread on AMD forum too.
http://forums.amd.com/devforum/messageview.cfm?catid=390&threadid=155591&enterthread=y
Added my findings over there.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Fredericx51 on 03 Nov 2011, 06:20:38 pm
I tried CAT 11.10, immediatly produced errors and driver crasht, so I strait went back with CAT 11.4.1332 ,
 last ATI 5870S GPUs WU ;

<core_client_version>6.12.34</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Number of period iterations for PulseFind setted to:1
Number of app instances per device setted to:2
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully, below normal priority class used
OpenCL platform detected: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
BOINC assigns 0 device, slots 0 to 1 (including) will be checked
Used slot is 0;   INFO: clCreateContext
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r365.cl
Info : Building Program (clBuildProgram):main kernels: OK code 0

Windows optimized S@H Enhanced application by Alex Kan
Version info: SSE3x (AMD/Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics) V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSE3x Win32 Build 365 , Ported by : Jason G, Raistmer, JDWhale


SETI7 update by Raistmer
Original GPU DCT by Jason G

OpenCL version by Raistmer, r365


Build features: SETI7   Non-graphics   OpenCL   USE_OPENCL_HD5xxx   IPP   AMD specific   USE_SSE3   x86   
     CPUID:         Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz
     Speed: 4 x 3413 MHz
     Cache: L1=64K L2=256K

CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3
CPU type 0x46
Number of OpenCL platforms:             1


 OpenCL Platform Name:                AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing
Number of devices:             2
  Max compute units:             20
  Max work group size:             256
  Max clock frequency:             850Mhz
  Max memory allocation:          134217728
  Cache type:                None
  Cache line size:             0
  Cache size:                0
  Global memory size:             536870912
  Constant buffer size:             65536
  Max number of constant args:          8
  Local memory type:             Scratchpad
  Local memory size:             32768
  Queue properties:            
    Out-of-Order:             No
  Name:                   Cypress
  Vendor:                Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
  Driver version:             CAL 1.4.1332
  Version:                OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (595.10)
  Extensions:                cl_amd_fp64 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_amd_device_attribute_query cl_amd_printf cl_amd_media_ops cl_amd_popcnt cl_khr_d3d10_sharing
  Max compute units:             20
  Max work group size:             256
  Max clock frequency:             850Mhz
  Max memory allocation:          134217728
  Cache type:                None
  Cache line size:             0
  Cache size:                0
  Global memory size:             536870912
  Constant buffer size:             65536
  Max number of constant args:          8
  Local memory type:             Scratchpad
  Local memory size:             32768
  Queue properties:            
    Out-of-Order:             No
  Name:                   Cypress
  Vendor:                Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
  Driver version:             CAL 1.4.1332
  Version:                OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4 (595.10)
  Extensions:                cl_amd_fp64 cl_khr_global_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_global_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_base_atomics cl_khr_local_int32_extended_atomics cl_khr_3d_image_writes cl_khr_byte_addressable_store cl_khr_gl_sharing cl_amd_device_attribute_query cl_amd_printf cl_amd_media_ops cl_amd_popcnt cl_khr_d3d10_sharing


Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  0.009569
New triplet to report:
score=10.53; power=10.53; freq_bin=-1.367e-121
New pulse to report: score=1.001, power=6.7813, fftlen=256, freq_bin=145, time_bin=2048
New pulse to report: score=1.037, power=4.5921, fftlen=1024, freq_bin=590, time_bin=512
New pulse to report: score=1.022, power=3.2453, fftlen=2048, freq_bin=1632, time_bin=256
New triplet to report:
score=11.2; power=11.2; freq_bin=-3.534e-047
New triplet to report:
score=10.54; power=10.54; freq_bin=-3.541e-194
New pulse to report: score=1.052, power=6.034, fftlen=512, freq_bin=71, time_bin=1024
New pulse to report: score=1.003, power=2.199, fftlen=2048, freq_bin=395, time_bin=256
New pulse to report: score=1.025, power=4.8706, fftlen=128, freq_bin=126, time_bin=4096
New pulse to report: score=1.01, power=2.6588, fftlen=1024, freq_bin=519, time_bin=512
New pulse to report: score=1.028, power=10.489, fftlen=512, freq_bin=221, time_bin=1024
New pulse to report: score=1.019, power=10.13, fftlen=1024, freq_bin=412, time_bin=512

Flopcounter: 17723986648026.246000

Spike count:    0
Autocorr count: 0
Pulse count:    9
Triplet count:  3
Gaussian count: 0
Wallclock time elapsed since last restart: 5072.1 seconds

class Gaussian_transfer_not_needed:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0
class Gaussian_transfer_needed:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0


class Gaussian_skip1_no_peak:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0
class Gaussian_skip2_bad_group_peak:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0
class Gaussian_skip3_too_weak_peak:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0
class Gaussian_skip4_too_big_ChiSq:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0
class Gaussian_skip6_low_power:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0


class Gaussian_new_best:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0
class Gaussian_report:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0
class Gaussian_miss:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0


class PC_triplet_find_hit:   total=46928,   N=46928,   <>=1,   min=1   max=1
class PC_triplet_find_miss:   total=957,   N=957,   <>=1,   min=1   max=1


class PC_pulse_find_hit:   total=47871,   N=47871,   <>=1,   min=1   max=1
class PC_pulse_find_miss:   total=14,   N=14,   <>=1,   min=1   max=1
class PC_pulse_find_2CPU:   total=0,   N=0,   <>=0,   min=0   max=0


class PoT_transfer_not_needed:   total=46917,   N=46917,   <>=1,   min=1   max=1
class PoT_transfer_needed:   total=968,   N=968,   <>=1,   min=1   max=1

19:30:15 (7060): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>

But this is older version and the problem is amount of CPU use when using GPUs and the latest driver, atleast above CAT 11.4?

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: perryjay on 04 Nov 2011, 11:51:44 am
Well, I went back to driver 267.59. I have been getting some downclocks with the newest driver 285.62. I'm also getting some invalids with high pulse counts both in the AP and MB work. I can't swear it's the driver as I also started using the rescheduler again to move things around so that might have been causing the problems. I've also been watching some videos.  I'll see what happens with the older driver as it was working fine for me before updating the driver.

As always, I have my Intel E5400 dual with my GTS 450 slightly overclocked to 883/1766/1804 running one AP and one MB or two MBs at a time. (count set at .51/.49)

Oh, and I'm running 6.10.58 64bit  and x39e Lunatics along with Raistmer's open CL for NVIDIA R521.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Nov 2011, 01:41:14 pm
I wouldn´t wonder perryjay.
I imagine nvidia is going thru the same issues AMD did month ago and still has.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 04 Nov 2011, 04:13:26 pm
I just wonder why both companies have similar issues (well, at least they *look* similar) at the same time. Maybe it's because they already add support for the next architectures (Kepler and GCN) in their drivers - and break their old code.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: perryjay on 04 Nov 2011, 07:14:45 pm
I don't know, I just went through a bunch of my pending APs on NVIDIA and it looks like I'm going to loose a lot of them. A few have completed okay but a whole bunch of them are showing 30 repetitive pulses. Sorry guys, I hope going back to the 267.59 driver will cure it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 04 Nov 2011, 07:37:28 pm
I keep my GTX460 on 266.58 for that reason.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 11 Nov 2011, 05:17:44 pm
New NVidia 285.79 BETA drivers are out. Haven't tried 'em yet, since I see no real improvements for the games I'm playing.

Anyone here found any improvements for CUDA?

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 12 Nov 2011, 01:18:40 am
Anyone here found any improvements for CUDA?

Those drivers are likely supporting Cuda 4.1 rc1 .  There are quite a lot of additions over Cuda 4.0 & 3.2, one supposedly being a rewritten compiler that generates better performing code, but it isn't released yet & there's a lot to wade through before I know if it'll help us.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 12 Nov 2011, 03:36:12 am
BTW, what computation interfaces NV Tegra2-based devices are support?
There are tabletPCs running Android OS equipped with Tegra2. AFAIK no CUDA or OpenCL support, right?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 12 Nov 2011, 04:17:18 am
BTW, what computation interfaces NV Tegra2-based devices are support?
There are tabletPCs running Android OS equipped with Tegra2. AFAIK no CUDA or OpenCL support, right?

Not sure yet.  Current specs list OpenGL-ES, and I believe there is a spec in the works for OpenCL-ES, but haven't looked into it much further than that.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 15 Nov 2011, 07:18:30 am
I keep my GTX460 on 266.58 for that reason.

    My GTX460 likes the  285.38 Beta better than anything before or since.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 15 Nov 2011, 07:41:33 am
I keep my GTX460 on 266.58 for that reason.

    My GTX460 likes the  285.38 Beta better than anything before or since.

Are you running OpenCL AP work on yours?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 15 Nov 2011, 04:17:54 pm
Cat 11.11 is released.

http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_vista-64.aspx
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 15 Nov 2011, 09:18:34 pm
I keep my GTX460 on 266.58 for that reason.

    My GTX460 likes the  285.38 Beta better than anything before or since.

Are you running OpenCL AP work on yours?

      i haven't tried that yet. Would you suggest it and if so
what do i need to do ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 16 Nov 2011, 12:29:44 am
I keep my GTX460 on 266.58 for that reason.

    My GTX460 likes the  285.38 Beta better than anything before or since.

Are you running OpenCL AP work on yours?

      i haven't tried that yet. Would you suggest it and if so
what do i need to do ?

OpenCL apps on the newer drivers are using almost a full CPU core to process the work on the GPU's. It started with the 270.xx series and has not been resolved as of yet.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 16 Nov 2011, 06:09:11 am
No changes on Linux 64bit using Cat 11.11, still is crashing my host when running MBv7 LHD4K OpenCL GPU app.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 17 Nov 2011, 03:38:08 pm
Catalyst 11.11: Still the 100% CPU bug for Windows systems with more than one GPU

AMD  ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: cristipurdel on 17 Nov 2011, 05:13:11 pm
From Open CL 1.2 ... Device partitioning this is what I was waiting for ...years :P ...any plans for the future?
It would be great to assign just one CU to windows, and the rest to boinc :P. It's better than temp throttling :)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 17 Nov 2011, 05:17:55 pm
I will be testing that later today as I just updated to 11.11, but I am also on a mixed system.

[edit]Not seeing any problems on my computer, Milkyway is using 0.05CPU and about 1.1% or so.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 18 Nov 2011, 11:43:11 am
[edit]Not seeing any problems on my computer, Milkyway is using 0.05CPU and about 1.1% or so.
MW never was OpenCL app.... Though, with deprecation of CAL it would be in some future....
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 28 Nov 2011, 06:25:19 pm
290.36 Beta is out.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 28 Nov 2011, 07:03:27 pm
Installed it this afternoon (Windows 7, 64bit variant). Nothing special to report - x41g_cuda32 crunches on as ever ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 28 Nov 2011, 08:21:23 pm
290.36 Beta is out.

Claggy

      Not going to try it yet anyway. Reverted back to
285.38 Beta and finally getting back to a decent  RAC.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 28 Nov 2011, 08:40:49 pm
I will stick with 285.79 for now as it supports the newer stuff.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 30 Nov 2011, 08:23:34 am

AMD SDK 2.6 will be released december 13th.

Some key changes pronounced.

http://blogs.amd.com/developer/2011/11/28/amd-opencl%E2%84%A2-app-sdk-preview/

Mike


Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 30 Nov 2011, 08:50:18 am
I will stick with 285.79 for now as it supports the newer stuff.

Running the beta now, but out of tasks, might do some bench testing to see if there is any obvious difference to 285 series for us.

[A bit Later:] x41g Cuda 3.2 & later dev builds running more or less the same speed , on GTX 480 [both v6 & v7 test tasks], with the beta driver under bench compared to earlier 285 driver benches.  Could be some fractions of second in it at some ARs, either way still seem like great drivers (as 285 series did here anyway).  Fingers crossed they get Cuda 4.1 final release right for the older cards, will have to wait & see if I can move to using some of the new features.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 30 Nov 2011, 10:55:13 am
Would an 'older card' (i.e. 9800 GT-series) beta bench be useful at this stage? (I don't usually upgrade drivers until the WHQL stage). If so, XP or Win7 (it'll be 32bit without the option).
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: skildude on 30 Nov 2011, 12:00:39 pm

AMD SDK 2.6 will be released december 13th.

Some key changes pronounced.

http://blogs.amd.com/developer/2011/11/28/amd-opencl%E2%84%A2-app-sdk-preview/

Mike





I have to wonder if that is going to matter since the new ATI apps are incompatible with cat 11.10 and cat 11.11 drivers.  Will this solve the incompatibility problem ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 30 Nov 2011, 12:04:29 pm

AMD SDK 2.6 will be released december 13th.

Some key changes pronounced.

http://blogs.amd.com/developer/2011/11/28/amd-opencl%E2%84%A2-app-sdk-preview/

Mike


I have to wonder if that is going to matter since the new ATI apps are incompatible with cat 11.10 and cat 11.11 drivers.  Will this solve the incompatibility problem ?

At least there is some hope.

And to be honest the apps aren´t incompatible with those drivers.
The drivers produce faulty results.

Thats a difference.

Mike
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 01 Dec 2011, 09:53:48 am
Would an 'older card' (i.e. 9800 GT-series) beta bench be useful at this stage? (I don't usually upgrade drivers until the WHQL stage). If so, XP or Win7 (it'll be 32bit without the option).

Not really.  Seems to be just fairly minor gaming oriented polish for the most part (Since 285 series).  When Cuda 4.1 final release, or another release candidate appears, all bets will be off.  For now looks like they're consolidating & prepping for ~March's new GPUs, but definitely we'll want to know if 4.1 (non-RC) will perform across the full range of GPUs, when it eventuates.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 01 Dec 2011, 11:17:11 am
Dont forget though OpenCL 1.2 is officiall pronounced.
Maybe we see another surprises with upcoming drivers.

So far as i know not fully implemented in upcoming 11.12 drivers but who knows.

Mike
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 02 Dec 2011, 04:53:10 pm
I installed the 11.11c drivers earlier today to test out on a couple of games, my times doubled while crunching Millkyway. Do not recommend.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: cristipurdel on 03 Dec 2011, 07:06:27 am
From Open CL 1.2 ... Device partitioning this is what I was waiting for ...years :P ...any plans for the future?
It would be great to assign just one CU to windows, and the rest to boinc :P. It's better than temp throttling :)
I finally realized that I can see the maximum power and GFLOPS from my cpu and gpu with sisoft sandra.
On my E350, without 6310M, but with a 6490M, the gpu is 6.67 more efficient than the cpu in terms of peak performance vs. power consumption.
I'm still hoping to use 1 CU with min core voltage + 1 CPU min core voltage for something around 15W, but 128 GFLOPs.
Maybe 7.0.2 with 11.12  can speed up the 1.2 adoption :P
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 03 Dec 2011, 07:46:00 am
The other critical piece of information we ought to derive and make available for reference somewhere is the ratio of peak to usable (effective) GFLOPS for the various computational platforms - treating hardware plus any needed runtime or driver software as an integrated platform for this purpose.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 04 Dec 2011, 08:41:00 am
I've one ATI card HD3850 that run with OS and image software really fine, but enable to work with GPU work in BOINC, I've downloaded latest for this card from AMD 11.11 and always error just when starting with: SET, Primegrid, Collatz and Milkyway, ...

this happened again last time I'd a problem with my NVidia GPU 9800 and exchanged for a while with this one an unable to crunch with GPU, I deleted all with driver sweeper from Nvidia.

after that I bought a Nvidia GTX460 and installed in that computer and removed everything related to ATI GPU with driver sweeper and no problem at all.

some days ago I saw that the GPU card was overheated and seen that one fan was not running, it was in guaranty so to the TS for exchange, in the mean time I installed the HD 3850 sweeping again everything related to NVidia and installed AMD driver 11.11 for this card but same problem, not able to crunch.

another thing is that this computer has one HD4360 or similar on MOBO and not able to run it, doing set-up alone with another cable as HDMI or DVI, no way ???
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Dec 2011, 09:06:07 am
11.11 drivers are incompatible with the OpenCL apps.
You can try 11.9 for example.

Did you check workgroup size of the 3850 ?
If its only 128 those apps won´t work.

Mike
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 04 Dec 2011, 09:12:07 am

11.11 drivers are incompatible with the OpenCL apps.
You can try 11.9 for example.

Did you check workgroup size of the 3850 ?
If its only 128 you might want to try LHD4k version.

Mike

OpenCL is only available on HD4*** and later GPU's, HD3850 is too early, Supported Devices:

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/pages/DriverCompatibility.aspx

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Dec 2011, 09:20:55 am
Thanks Claggy.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 04 Dec 2011, 12:03:25 pm
Also, I would check with AMD site or CLinfo utility if HD4360  OpenCL-capable or not.
Some entry level onboard AMD GPUs like 4200 and maybe 4300 are prev generation (RV6xx) cards actually and naming them HD4xxx was pure marketing move from AMD.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: glennaxl on 04 Dec 2011, 09:41:51 pm
Has anyone tried crunching now a days with SLI connector attached and enabled? Does it work now?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: efmer (fred) on 05 Dec 2011, 09:21:28 am
Has anyone tried crunching now a days with SLI connector attached and enabled? Does it work now?
Not with with my cards, My 590 got real upset with SLI enabled.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: _heinz on 06 Dec 2011, 03:53:52 pm
For all ATI AGP(like mine HD4670) cards driver 11.11 is available
CatalystAGPHotfix (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx)
Last Updated
11/15/2011
hoping this works with ap_5.06_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r521.exe

did anyone tried with AGP ?

heinz

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 06 Dec 2011, 06:00:34 pm
For all ATI AGP(like mine HD4670) cards driver 11.11 is available
CatalystAGPHotfix (http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/CatalystAGPHotfix.aspx)
Last Updated
11/15/2011
hoping this works with ap_5.06_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATI_r521.exe

did anyone tried with AGP ?

heinz


It should work, Treasurer has an AGP HD4650, and has found a combination of drivers/SDK that work (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64196&nowrap=true#1175333):

All tasks for computer 6052896 (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=6052896)

Unfortuently my AGP HD4650 only has an XP3200+ CPU with only SSE, (SSE2 needed) so no OpenCL support there  :(

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 09 Dec 2011, 05:00:38 pm
11.11 drivers are incompatible with the OpenCL apps.
You can try 11.9 for example.

Did you check workgroup size of the 3850 ?
If its only 128 those apps won´t work.

Mike

tried new patch no success,
ATI HD 3850 Bus width 256 / Memory size 512 MB GDDR3

BOINC:
09/12/2011 22:51:45 | PrimeGrid | Starting task pps_sr2sieve_37555536_2 using pps_sr2sieve version 138
09/12/2011 22:51:49 | PrimeGrid | Computation for task pps_sr2sieve_37555536_2 finished
09/12/2011 22:51:49 | PrimeGrid | Output file pps_sr2sieve_37555536_2_0 for task pps_sr2sieve_37555536_2 absent

BOINCTasks report:
Calculation Error (-150,)

I don't know what is the problem, but this card works in another computers and not in this since the very 1st time I assembly the computer, for the first time was working fine, after I exchanged to the Nvidia 9800 and because of one problem with this I come back to the ATI, and no way of crunching, after deleting, un-installing, etc.

later I fit the Nvidia GTX460 and no problem, now the Nvidia has one fan broken and overheat, so to Tech service and exchanged again for the ATI and no way of crunching in this computer. ??
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 13 Dec 2011, 02:28:56 pm
Cat 11.12 drivers have just been released
and finally it seems that we're going to get decent drivers from AMD
Bench is looking good against stock at the moment - Q's ~95% and upwards - will post when its finished
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 13 Dec 2011, 02:52:37 pm
Cat 11.12 drivers have just been released
and finally it seems that we're going to get decent drivers from AMD
Bench is looking good against stock at the moment - Q's ~95% and upwards - will post when its finished
SDK_2.6 is out as well, the MD5 checksums have been updated, but not the links, so changing the url from v2.5 to v2.6 gets a download started,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 13 Dec 2011, 05:50:39 pm
Just running some standalone tests with the linux 64bit version and Cat 11.12 Let's see ...  :-\

 >:( >:( Using HD4670 and LHD4K and Cat 11.12 my host is still crashing with a freeze. Maybe the next one ... meanwhile back to Cat 11.9
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 14 Dec 2011, 03:55:21 am
With Catalyst 11.12 (tested: Win7x64) AMD finally managed to solve the 100% CPU load bug (even for systems with more than one GPU)  :)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 14 Dec 2011, 05:26:32 am
With Catalyst 11.12 (tested: Win7x64) AMD finally managed to solve the 100% CPU load bug (even for systems with more than one GPU)  :)

Sounds great !  What's average CPU usage at the moment ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 14 Dec 2011, 06:20:15 am
With Catalyst 11.12 (tested: Win7x64) AMD finally managed to solve the 100% CPU load bug (even for systems with more than one GPU)  :)

Sounds great !  What's average CPU usage at the moment ?
for me still no crunching with my HD3850 Cat 11.12 already set-up supposed that should be another problem except for driver some kind of ghost inside computer.

I'm starting to look strangely  >:( to my box and some kind of "format .. " thought are coming to my brain  :)
I'll wait for my NVidia GTS460 to be back repaired or new to decide start from the scratch.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 14 Dec 2011, 06:50:49 am
Sounds great !  What's average CPU usage at the moment ?

Almost zero. For non-blanked APs its between 2-4 %.
(for bitcoin mining it's between 0-1%).
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 14 Dec 2011, 07:19:58 am
With Catalyst 11.12 (tested: Win7x64) AMD finally managed to solve the 100% CPU load bug (even for systems with more than one GPU)  :)
Meanwhile have tested this and it seems to be solved for single GPU  :) , but NOT for multi-GPU hosts on 64 bit linux. CPU load with Cat 11.12 is around 80% when crunching MBv7r390_HD5 (Example: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/workunit.php?wuid=3710311 )  :(

Main problem solved : at least results done with Cat 11.12 are correct so far.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 14 Dec 2011, 08:38:19 am
Sounds great !  What's average CPU usage at the moment ?

Almost zero. For non-blanked APs its between 2-4 %.
(for bitcoin mining it's between 0-1%).

Thats real good info.  ;D
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 14 Dec 2011, 10:43:41 am
Sounds great !  What's average CPU usage at the moment ?

Almost zero. For non-blanked APs its between 2-4 %.
(for bitcoin mining it's between 0-1%).

Thats real good info.  ;D

Sure is.  Reintroduction of the old blocking synchronisation should help Raistmer, and OpenCL apps in general, a lot without having to redesign for new methods.  Hopefully they didn't break the other mechanisms putting that one back  ;)  At least then there'll be options to choose from that work.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 14 Dec 2011, 11:57:55 am
well going deeply inside if I remember when I assembled my

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: _heinz on 14 Dec 2011, 01:07:34 pm
Hi corsair,
I had have similar issue when I changed from my Sapphire HD3870 to NVidia.
I could resolve it by using Revo Uninstaller Pro (http://www.revouninstallerpro.com/) to clean the computer from all its ATI stuff.
Perhaps this can halp you too.

heinz
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 14 Dec 2011, 08:47:20 pm
Found some freeware too called "BlueScreenView" to decipher bluescreens (http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html) on windows XP and later. Hopefully that can help AMD to ease bug search a little.

Dump FileCrash TimeBug Check StringBug Check CodeParameter 1Parameter 2Parameter 3Parameter 4Caused By DriverCaused By AddressFile DescriptionProduct NameCompanyFile VersionProcessorCrash AddressStack Address 1Stack Address 2Stack Address 3Computer NameFull PathProcessors CountMajor VersionMinor VersionDump File Size
Mini121511-01.dmp15.12.2011 02:00:54THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER0x000000ea0x899899480x89a68e080x88f0d2480x00000001ati2cqag.dllati2cqag.dll+1aeb4Central Memory Manager / Queue Server ModuleATI Radeon FamilyATI Technologies Inc.6.14.10.053432-bitati2cqag.dll+1ad92&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\Mini121511-01.dmp215260098.352
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 15 Dec 2011, 08:26:42 am
Found some freeware too called "BlueScreenView" to decipher bluescreens (http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html) on windows XP and later. Hopefully that can help AMD to ease bug search a little.

Dump FileCrash TimeBug Check StringBug Check CodeParameter 1Parameter 2Parameter 3Parameter 4Caused By DriverCaused By AddressFile DescriptionProduct NameCompanyFile VersionProcessorCrash AddressStack Address 1Stack Address 2Stack Address 3Computer NameFull PathProcessors CountMajor VersionMinor VersionDump File Size
Mini121511-01.dmp15.12.2011 02:00:54THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER0x000000ea0x899899480x89a68e080x88f0d2480x00000001ati2cqag.dllati2cqag.dll+1aeb4Central Memory Manager / Queue Server ModuleATI Radeon FamilyATI Technologies Inc.6.14.10.053432-bitati2cqag.dll+1ad92&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;C:\WINDOWS\Minidump\Mini121511-01.dmp215260098.352

Only if this will be posted not here but on AMD forums and even better, bug ticket will be opened.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 15 Dec 2011, 11:23:15 am
Hi corsair,
I had have similar issue when I changed from my Sapphire HD3870 to NVidia.
I could resolve it by using Revo Uninstaller Pro (http://www.revouninstallerpro.com/) to clean the computer from all its ATI stuff.
Perhaps this can halp you too.

heinz

heinz thanks for your feedback, done.

uninstalled with Revo all ATI/AMD CCC & drivers, driver sweeper run and erased all traces of AMD/ATI and NVidia related to GPU.
restarted computer and installed again ATI 11.12, and no success, still the GPU is not crunching.

it's a strange thing because the GPU shows correctly the screen and could see video films, etc. but when started BOINC with cruching software it looks like that is "not able to start" the GPU, because in no moment there is GPU usage, temperature stable not rising and not increase of fan activity ?? ?? ?? ??  :'( :'( :'(

will see if NVidia GPU is coming from the TS and supposed that will crunch again.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 15 Dec 2011, 12:34:59 pm
Only if this will be posted not here but on AMD forums and even better, bug ticket will be opened.
I would have done so, but last night when i was ready to do so, AMDs developer fora were not accessible.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 15 Dec 2011, 03:47:20 pm
Only if this will be posted not here but on AMD forums and even better, bug ticket will be opened.
I would have done so, but last night when i was ready to do so, AMDs developer fora were not accessible.
Can you install Vista or Win7 on that host ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 15 Dec 2011, 04:31:47 pm
Only if this will be posted not here but on AMD forums and even better, bug ticket will be opened.
I would have done so, but last night when i was ready to do so, AMDs developer fora were not accessible.
Can you install Vista or Win7 on that host ?
Win7x64 if necessary.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 15 Dec 2011, 04:44:06 pm
Try this, please.
WinXP support ceased so we never get this bug fixed if it's WinXP only and we will not have evidences that Win7 involved too.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 15 Dec 2011, 04:49:42 pm
Try this, please.
WinXP support ceased so we never get this bug fixed if it's WinXP only and we will not have evidences that Win7 involved too.
Reinstall in progress.

Later: Installing win7 made no problems. My older (5 years) hw was detected correct. Now waiting while download of Cat 11.12 is progressing.

Even more later: I'm tired and win7x64sp1 shows the same behaviour with MBv7r390LHD4K like XPsp3 did before, the GPU driver crashes (atim2tag.dll ? ).

Need a tip please : How do i turn that watchdog system in win7 off ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 16 Dec 2011, 02:12:05 am
There was very god link from some of members to M$ page with instructions, but I didn't bookmarked it in time   :-\ ... will try to find...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 21 Dec 2011, 12:55:25 pm
290.53 Beta is apparently available (Nvidia update has just told me), downloading now,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 21 Dec 2011, 05:46:40 pm
AMD SDK 2.6 is available.

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 21 Dec 2011, 06:05:44 pm
LoL, nVidia beta 290.53 benches slightly faster again on GTX 480/Win7x64sp1
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 22 Dec 2011, 11:02:06 am
Received repaired the NVidia GTX460, un-installed the ATI HD 3850 and drivers (with un-installing application + driversweeper and set-up with NVidia ver 285.62 now crunching properly, why is not crunching with ATI ?? ??
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 22 Dec 2011, 11:23:25 am
Received repaired the NVidia GTX460, un-installed the ATI HD 3850 and drivers (with un-installing application + driversweeper and set-up with NVidia ver 285.62 now crunching properly, why is not crunching with ATI ?? ??
Which projects couldn't you get the HD3850 to crunch on?, and what drivers did you have installed?, did try rolling back to earlier drivers?

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 22 Dec 2011, 01:54:22 pm
Which projects couldn't you get the HD3850 to crunch on?, and what drivers did you have installed?, did try rolling back to earlier drivers?

Claggy

with HD3850 milky-way (this card is DP), Collatz, SETI MB ATI and Prime grid and no success with any of then, when I built the computer I was able to crunch at least in milky-way and Collatz, at that time there was not MB for ATI and I was not signed for Prime grid.

I've used several version the last 11.11 & 11.12 don't know what happens but in another computer it works but not in this since the first time I exchanged the ATI for a NVidia 9800 and because a problem I switched back to ATI again and in those times no success too, well I suppose I'll should have to give retirement to this GPU and start thinking in fdisk, format and re-install OS in computer (win7-pro-x64-sp1-ES)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 22 Dec 2011, 02:09:45 pm
Which projects couldn't you get the HD3850 to crunch on?, and what drivers did you have installed?, did try rolling back to earlier drivers?

Claggy

with HD3850 milky-way (this card is DP), Collatz, SETI MB ATI and Prime grid and no success with any of then, when I built the computer I was able to crunch at least in milky-way and Collatz, at that time there was not MB for ATI and I was not signed for Prime grid.

I've used several version the last 11.11 & 11.12 don't know what happens but in another computer it works but not in this since the first time I exchanged the ATI for a NVidia 9800 and because a problem I switched back to ATI again and in those times no success too, well I suppose I'll should have to give retirement to this GPU and start thinking in fdisk, format and re-install OS in computer (win7-pro-x64-sp1-ES)
O.K, with Seti ATI MB and PrimeGrid you're never going to get them to work, as both those projects ATI apps are OpenCL apps, and the HD3850 isn't OpenCL capable, you need an HD4*** or later ATI GPU for OpenCL capability.
There is a Seti Hybrid Astropulse app that will work on you're GPU (if you're got the right driver), but it mostly uses the CPU, and only intermittently uses the GPU, hardly worth using,

For Collatz and Milkyway to work you'll have to choose an earlier driver, i don't think Cat 11.10, 11.11 or 11.12 work with Collatz at all,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 22 Dec 2011, 05:09:02 pm
ATi hybrid AP being run with MW side to side definitely worth using if participant interested in SETI throughput increase w/o sacrificing his GPU total performance.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Frizz on 26 Dec 2011, 01:56:38 pm
Zacate (E-350): by updating from Catalyst 11.5 to 11.12 I lost about 30 (!) percent performance for AP.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 28 Dec 2011, 10:37:49 pm
I'm thinking on what has become my yearly upgrade. This year I think it will be just a new GPU. What's the advice on the most cost effective, and project effective, GPU right now?

Thanks Art
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 28 Dec 2011, 10:51:03 pm
Need a tip please : How do i turn that watchdog system in win7 off ?

Urs if you're referring to User account control go here:
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\User Accounts
Choose "Change User Account Control Settings". Set it to minimum for no nagging, or a position of your choice.

If you meant  the so-called "god mode" here's one link of many with instructions:
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-10423985-285/understanding-windows-7s-godmode/

Gives instant access to all those things now hidden in W7 that were more accessible in XP.

Regards
Art
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 29 Dec 2011, 07:40:00 am
I'm thinking on what has become my yearly upgrade. This year I think it will be just a new GPU. What's the advice on the most cost effective, and project effective, GPU right now?

Thanks Art

    This will at least give you something to work with.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 29 Dec 2011, 10:26:28 am
Depends on how much you want to pay.

450 and 460 are a good choice.
And 560 TI if you have the skills to control it.
Also 6850 and 5850.

regards
Mike

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Josef W. Segur on 29 Dec 2011, 05:46:44 pm
Need a tip please : How do i turn that watchdog system in win7 off ?

Urs if you're referring to User account control go here:
Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\User Accounts
Choose "Change User Account Control Settings". Set it to minimum for no nagging, or a position of your choice.

If you meant  the so-called "god mode" here's one link of many with instructions:
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-10423985-285/understanding-windows-7s-godmode/

Gives instant access to all those things now hidden in W7 that were more accessible in XP.

Regards
Art

I expect Urs was looking for control of the 2 seconds a GPU kernel can run before Windows thinks it has hung and forces a reinitialization. He's probably already found it, but the MSDN Timeout Detection and Recovery of GPUs through WDDM (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg487368.aspx) article defines the registry keys and how they interact. A web search for TdrDelay or TdrLevel turns up many pertinent discussions with advice.
                                                            Joe
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 29 Dec 2011, 06:23:51 pm
I expect Urs was looking for control of the 2 seconds a GPU kernel can run before Windows thinks it has hung and forces a reinitialization. He's probably already found it, but the MSDN Timeout Detection and Recovery of GPUs through WDDM (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/gg487368.aspx) article defines the registry keys and how they interact. A web search for TdrDelay or TdrLevel turns up many pertinent discussions with advice.
                                                            Joe
Actually with Win7 i feel much like a newby, so didn't even know the correct terms to look for. In Linux and XP this is or was called "VPUrecover" and it does or did restart possibly hanging drivers. Actually i wanted the "old" behaviour back to extract the place of failure in the driver and derive a dump containing that info. This dump would help AMDs developers to look up where they need to improve their drivers.
With my current setup, which uses the default settings after a fresh install of Win7, the dumps do only show the failure occuring inside windows components and mention the actual failing AMD driver as a secondary point of concern. That would be of NO help.
So, Joe and k6xt, if WDDM (which i guess means something like "windows device driver model", have to look explanation up!) is what makes a GPU driver recover and restart on Win7 then that is what i'm looking for but did not find.

Thanks to both of you for trying to help.  :)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 29 Dec 2011, 07:00:05 pm

And 560 TI if you have the skills to control it.

regards
Mike

Mike can you elaborate on "...skills to control it." ? What is it that needs controlling? Maybe there's a link to a discussion here? Today I just about decided on 560Ti or, if I can't "control it" a 460.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 29 Dec 2011, 07:08:49 pm
Mike can you elaborate on "...skills to control it." ? What is it that needs controlling? Maybe there's a link to a discussion here? Today I just about decided on 560Ti or, if I can't "control it" a 460.

I'll inject what info I've got here.  The 560ti issues have narrowed down to a small set of caveats, after extensive investigation.
-  Some card manufacturers put just enough core voltage to get 'game stable' , If the factory voltage is lower than 1.05 Volts, it'll probably need boosting & stability checking with something like OCCT at max complexity for 1 hour, with no artefacts.
- Some past drivers leave rubbish in a hidden Cuda kernel Compute Cache.  A clean install is mandatory when installing the drivers.
- Latest Cuda Windows release forces use of a specific Cuda binary for each kernel on compute capability 2.1 GPUs, and has improved fault tolerance, so x41g should be used, as opposed to any prior stock or optimised release.
- For some (unknown) reason some of these cards appear to seat badly on the first try if care isn't taken.  Reseating the card can sometimes clear issues.
- These cards use significant power, so sufficient PSU +12V rail current, and decent case airfolw is advised.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 29 Dec 2011, 07:25:25 pm
I only want to add there is always the possibility to increase voltage or reduce core clock spped with MSI Afterburner.
Or similar tools.
Of course i agree with Jasons comment as well.

Mike
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 30 Dec 2011, 04:02:16 pm
Finally managed to get a useful bluescreen on Win7sp1 x64. Preparing to post the info over there at AMDs forum.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: glennaxl on 02 Jan 2012, 05:11:28 am
Has anyone tried crunching now a days with SLI connector attached and enabled? Does it work now?
To answer my own question, the answer is "yes"

I'm using 290.53
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 13 Jan 2012, 12:37:36 pm
Just installed a new GTX560Ti in tandem with a GTX465. Need some help getting both GPU running. The problem is, with cc_config "use both GPU" set, after a time the computer freezes. Both video cards continue processing something, as does the CPU. But according to project records no work is sent while the PC is locked up.

A reboot is needed to restore. Renaming cc_config so only one GPU runs, all is well.

The PC is W7 ultimate 32 bit, Q9650. Nvidia 285.62 driver.

The two GPU run stock clocks. The only acceleration used is fan speed control via MSI Afterburner.

The 560Ti is a MSI, the 465 is EVGA.

Thanks - Art
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 13 Jan 2012, 12:44:31 pm
Which application Art ? x41g Cuda 3.2 release ?  How many tasks per card ? What are the temperatures like & did you do a 'Clean Install' with the driver installtion advanced options?

Sorry for the questions, but they'll help narrow down the possibilities.

Offthe top of my head, One possibility could be other wacky drivers in the system, so a check with DPC latency Checker (http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml) might be in order as an easy pre-check before troubleshooting.

[Edit:]  for reference, her's what my 480 system (main dev machine) looks like at full crunch while browsing with Google Chrome, which took a lot of work to find and force installation of better drivers for chipset & Wifi etc.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 13 Jan 2012, 12:54:50 pm
What PSU do you have running that host?, I'd expect at least 800 Watt PSU is required,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 13 Jan 2012, 12:56:58 pm
What PSU do you have running that host?, I'd expect at least 800 Watt PSU is required,

Claggy

For a 465 + 560ti factory OC'd model, it would have to be at least a very good 850W, or preferably larger IMO.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 13 Jan 2012, 01:06:19 pm
What PSU do you have running that host?, I'd expect at least 800 Watt PSU is required,

Claggy

For a 465 + 560ti factory OC'd model, it would have to be at least a very good 850W, or preferably larger IMO.
I agree, Asus's Recommended Power Supply Wattage Calculator (http://support.asus.com/powersupply.aspx) says 800W when you put in 2*560Ti's and 900Watts when you put in 2*465's,
while Corsairs PSUfinder (http://www.corsair.com/psufinder/) says 950Watts when you put in 2*470's, and 750Watts when you put in 2*460's (the closest matches)

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 13 Jan 2012, 01:38:20 pm
With my 560 and 5830, I put a 850 watt PSU in.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 13 Jan 2012, 04:54:54 pm
Which application Art ? x41g Cuda 3.2 release ?  How many tasks per card ? What are the temperatures like & did you do a 'Clean Install' with the driver installtion advanced options?

Sorry for the questions, but they'll help narrow down the possibilities.

Offthe top of my head, One possibility could be other wacky drivers in the system, so a check with DPC latency Checker (http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml) might be in order as an easy pre-check before troubleshooting.

[Edit:]  for reference, her's what my 480 system (main dev machine) looks like at full crunch while browsing with Google Chrome, which took a lot of work to find and force installation of better drivers for chipset & Wifi etc.

Jason

The power supply is a Corsair 750W. I did a clean install of x41g prior to loading the cards based on the post you sent before I bought the 560Ti, thanks again for that.

I did the clean install by first un-installing all Nvidia software plus a reboot. Then started over.

When its running there are two tasks per card, four total. I use MSI Afterburner to control the fans with a more aggressive speed curve. My GPU temps are running in the 60-65 deg C range, near where they run as single GPU's. CPU temps are in the 65 deg C range except for CPU 1 which runs 70 deg C and always has in the 15 months or so since new.

Edit: Right now there's three tasks per GPU running. I set that parm to 0.3.

Thanks, regards
Art
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 13 Jan 2012, 05:00:53 pm
OK, there's good news & there's bad news.  Sounds mostly good, but no way is a 750 watt PSU enough for both those cards at once,  I have a 480 & a 560ti in separate machines.  The 560ti by itself seems happy with a Corsair AX 750 Gold... The 480 took about 4 months or so by itself to hose a seasonic gold 750.  I'd suggest pulling the 465 for now, before your PSU blows up.  I'm not being silly.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 13 Jan 2012, 05:31:18 pm
OK, there's good news & there's bad news.  Sounds mostly good, but no way is a 750 watt PSU enough for both those cards at once,  I have a 480 & a 560ti in separate machines.  The 560ti by itself seems happy with a Corsair AX 750 Gold... The 480 took about 4 months or so by itself to hose a seasonic gold 750.  I'd suggest pulling the 465 for now, before your PSU blows up.  I'm not being silly.

Jason

I hear ya. Ran to get my VOM. THe PS outlet air didn't feel very hot and it isn't, about 37 deg C. Doesn't seem like its very stressed -- but the point is a good one. I'll get a 1kW in there. My latency picture is not so sweet with that program you suggested, got work to do there.

Thanks ARt

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 13 Jan 2012, 05:39:29 pm
I hear ya. Ran to get my VOM. THe PS outlet air didn't feel very hot and it isn't, about 37 deg C. Doesn't seem like its very stressed -- but the point is a good one. I'll get a 1kW in there. My latency picture is not so sweet with that program you suggested, got work to do there.

Thanks ARt

Alright, sounds like the right track.  The DPC latency issues are more obscure & related more to newer technologies than traditional concerns....  but my attitude is that a modern system should really handle streaming audio/video no problem even while crunching, or there's something wrong, since my garbage Pentium 2 could manage  :)  It can be tricky to get the drivers to cooperate... but that'll come after stabilising anyway.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: perryjay on 19 Jan 2012, 02:57:21 pm
I upgraded to 290.53 two days ago and it is running okay on my machine, Intel E5400 dual with a GTS 450. No downclocking or anything but I have noticed I have been getting quite a few inconclusives though. I seem to be finding a lot more pulses than my wingmen. In this one  http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=910961253 I found 13 pulses my wingmen didn't find but we all three got credit. Others I have found one or two pulses my wingmen didn't find. I am getting credit but it strikes me as strange.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 26 Jan 2012, 02:23:48 pm
Report at GPUGrid (http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2818) that the CUDA 4.1 developer toolkit went onto public production release today - downloadable from http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads

Presumably there'll be consumer-grade drivers to follow, but I can't find anything newer than 290.53 beta yet. WHQL drivers are still 285.58
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 26 Jan 2012, 06:03:56 pm
Cat 12.1 WHQL released.

http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/radeon_vista-64.aspx

Note 12.1 as well as 12.2 preview are not for 7xxx cards still.

Mike
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 28 Jan 2012, 08:17:27 am
Report at GPUGrid (http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=2818) that the CUDA 4.1 developer toolkit went onto public production release today - downloadable from http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloads

Presumably there'll be consumer-grade drivers to follow, but I can't find anything newer than 290.53 beta yet. WHQL drivers are still 285.58

4.1 release needs 286.16 or newer. WHQL release will more than likely coincide with Kepler release, which is rumoured to be an early surprise.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: MarkJ on 30 Jan 2012, 06:31:34 am
Anything useful in cuda 4.1 for us? Does the optimizing compiler make any difference to earlier ones?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 30 Jan 2012, 08:02:00 am
Anything useful in cuda 4.1 for us? Does the optimizing compiler make any difference to earlier ones?
I saw OpenCL 1.1 support on FERMI (not sure it was added only now though).
OpenCL part of distro became wider, separate best practice guide for OpenCL... need to read for more ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 30 Jan 2012, 08:09:10 am
Anything useful in cuda 4.1 for us? Does the optimizing compiler make any difference to earlier ones?

Decent performance gain on Fermis.  Older GPUs are seeing a slowdown over Cuda 3.2, which has been reported & apparently reproduced by nVidia.  I was hoping they'd fix that by release, as it means will probably have to support 2 builds next installer.

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: msattler on 30 Jan 2012, 12:56:53 pm
The kitties were rather hoping for another driver release beyond 290.53 to go along with 4.1 too.  Hope they haven't given up on it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jason G on 30 Jan 2012, 02:25:33 pm
The kitties were rather hoping for another driver release beyond 290.53 to go along with 4.1 too.  Hope they haven't given up on it.

I did spot leaked GK107 drivers (295 point something) floating around somewhere, which I think are some mobile chip.  experience on the new compiler was pretty good on Fermi's, so I suspect they'll want to iron out any reported issues ( perhaps including ours) before the big release.  Just guessing, maybe they've realised they're  more or less ready software wise and have all the focus on prepping for a solid launch.  They've been pretty quiet about the new architecture, I suppose playing their cards close to their chests.  Plenty of rumours about but nothing solid. Certain notorious anti-nvidia guys are suggesting nVidia might well 'win this round', which I presume referred to gaming performance.  If that's the case though, it implies a few technical things that should apply to Cuda as well...

Jason
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: msattler on 31 Jan 2012, 11:18:07 am
Kitties just found new 295.51 beta NV driver released today.....
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 31 Jan 2012, 11:54:48 am
They have the links swapped on the page, the 32-bit points to the 64-bit driver and vice-versa.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: msattler on 31 Jan 2012, 11:58:57 am
Thanks for the heads up....
They may have that fixed before this weekend when I have a chance to play with it, but I'll keep any eye on it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 01 Feb 2012, 07:05:14 am
it's fixed. Downloaded and installed.
Will play with it tonight if i have chance.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 01 Feb 2012, 07:24:01 am
Beware of the 295.51 drivers, once my Monitor connected to the DVI port went to Sleep, the Cuda device became unavailable,
they were O.K on my other host using the VGA port, your mileage may vary.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: MarkJ on 02 Feb 2012, 04:27:37 am
Anything useful in cuda 4.1 for us? Does the optimizing compiler make any difference to earlier ones?

Decent performance gain on Fermis.  Older GPUs are seeing a slowdown over Cuda 3.2, which has been reported & apparently reproduced by nVidia.  I was hoping they'd fix that by release, as it means will probably have to support 2 builds next installer.

Jason

Was that cuda 3.2 apps on the beta driver?

Have you compiled a cuda 4.1 app to see how it goes?

MarkJ
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 02 Feb 2012, 04:43:41 am
Anything useful in cuda 4.1 for us? Does the optimizing compiler make any difference to earlier ones?

Decent performance gain on Fermis.  Older GPUs are seeing a slowdown over Cuda 3.2, which has been reported & apparently reproduced by nVidia.  I was hoping they'd fix that by release, as it means will probably have to support 2 builds next installer.

Jason

Was that cuda 3.2 apps on the beta driver?

Have you compiled a cuda 4.1 app to see how it goes?

MarkJ
It was Cuda41rc2 and Cuda41 apps that were quite a bit slower than Cuda32 apps on Pre-Fermi GPUs (like my 9800GTX+) with the Cuda41 drivers, Fermi's have a performance increase with Cuda41rc2 and Cuda41 apps,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 06 Feb 2012, 07:08:57 am
roarming tarifs in data  >:( >:( (as usual very cheaps, nearly the whole salary) and can't test new drivers for my APU  >:(

will see when arrive home for shore leaves in April, now in Rotterdam discharging.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 21 Feb 2012, 03:49:33 pm
295.73 WHQL is out, downloading now.

Edit: the disappearing cuda devibe bug is still apparenin these drivers too.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 21 Feb 2012, 05:48:51 pm
295.73 WHQL is out, downloading now.

Claggy

I see NVidia promises some major improvements for several games, but how is the CUDA processing with these drivers?

I'd like to know before I convert my main gaming rig (which crunches WU's when not gaming) to these new drivers...

Regards,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 21 Feb 2012, 07:00:19 pm
In other-words, skip this one as well.

I will stick with 290.53 for now.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 22 Feb 2012, 01:49:08 pm
295.73 WHQL is out, downloading now.

Edit: the disappearing cuda device bug is still apparent in these drivers too.

Claggy

Damn. :( The performance increases for several of the games I play (or want to play) are very tempting.

IIRC the disappearing cuda device bug happens when the card switches off its output to blank the screen? So that's something that would happen to me after ~15 minutes of no activity. Is there a way to get around this?

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 22 Feb 2012, 01:52:42 pm
295.73 WHQL is out, downloading now.

Edit: the disappearing cuda device bug is still apparent in these drivers too.

Claggy

Damn. :( The performance increases for several of the games I play (or want to play) are very tempting.

IIRC the disappearing cuda device bug happens when the card switches off its output to blank the screen? So that's something that would happen to me after ~15 minutes of no activity. Is there a way to get around this?

Regards, Patrick.
My E8500/9800GTX+ machine had no problem with the 295.51 drivers when connected through the VGA port, not tried 295.73 on it yet,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 22 Feb 2012, 02:42:50 pm
295.73 WHQL is out, downloading now.

Edit: the disappearing cuda device bug is still apparent in these drivers too.

Claggy

Damn. :( The performance increases for several of the games I play (or want to play) are very tempting.

IIRC the disappearing cuda device bug happens when the card switches off its output to blank the screen? So that's something that would happen to me after ~15 minutes of no activity. Is there a way to get around this?

Regards, Patrick.
My E8500/9800GTX+ machine had no problem with the 295.51 drivers when connected through the VGA port, not tried 295.73 on it yet,

Claggy

Well, my 8800GTX is connected via DVI-D to my monitor. Will I run into this problem or not?

I suppose I could test this, but how can I detect this ASAP so that I don't trash too many WUs (if that happens)?

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 22 Feb 2012, 02:49:52 pm
When I noticed it, I saw a lot of this in my events.
Quote
1/31/2012 15:20:30 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.107123.6.10.252_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:20:38 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.90813.6.10.118_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:20:58 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.13433.885.8.10.85_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:21:06 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.13433.885.8.10.185_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:21:26 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.6806.5.10.28_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:21:34 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.4566.6.10.54_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:21:54 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.6806.5.10.26_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:22:03 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.13303.5.10.138_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:22:22 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.87132.6.10.207_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:22:32 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.13303.5.10.149_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:22:50 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.19404.4569.3.10.79_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:23:00 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.19404.4569.3.10.119_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:23:18 | SETI@home | Restarting task 25oc11ab.4355.134274.16.10.91_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:23:29 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.13303.5.10.147_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:23:47 | SETI@home | Restarting task 25oc11ab.4355.140409.16.10.114_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:23:57 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.107123.6.10.254_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:24:14 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.90813.6.10.118_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:24:26 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.107123.6.10.252_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:24:43 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.13433.885.8.10.85_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:24:55 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.13433.885.8.10.185_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:25:11 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.4566.6.10.54_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:25:23 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.6806.5.10.28_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:25:39 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.6806.5.10.26_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:25:51 | SETI@home | Restarting task 04oc11ad.507.87132.6.10.207_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:26:07 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.13303.5.10.149_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:26:23 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.19404.4569.3.10.79_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:26:36 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.19404.4569.3.10.119_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:26:52 | SETI@home | Restarting task 25oc11ab.4355.134274.16.10.91_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)
1/31/2012 15:27:04 | SETI@home | Restarting task 02oc11ag.7971.13303.5.10.147_1 using setiathome_enhanced version 610 (cuda_fermi)

And we see this in the bench application when the DVI connected monitor goes to sleep.
Quote
setiathome_CUDA: cudaGetDeviceCount() call failed.
setiathome_CUDA: No CUDA devices found
setiathome_CUDA: Found 0 CUDA device(s):
setiathome_CUDA: No SETI@home capabale CUDA GPU found...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 25 Feb 2012, 09:44:28 am
Is there any improvement for ATI with new 12??

I can't download for the moment I'm away home with roaming mobile tariffs and is too expensive to check it.

I'll try in next April with my shore leaves.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 27 Feb 2012, 04:13:19 pm
Primegrid just posted a message to either downgrade from 295.xx or not install it at all.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: skildude on 02 Mar 2012, 10:14:33 am
Is there any improvement for ATI with new 12??

I can't download for the moment I'm away home with roaming mobile tariffs and is too expensive to check it.

I'll try in next April with my shore leaves.
Milkyway doesn't appear to like the drivers. I get a message through the eventlog to back down from12.1
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: MarkJ on 04 Mar 2012, 02:25:56 am
Primegrid just posted a message to either downgrade from 295.xx or not install it at all.
GPUgrid also did a notice to everyone about 295.x so just stay away from it. Hopefully Nvidia will push a fixed one out for the GTX600's launch some time this month.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 04 Mar 2012, 05:48:51 am
Primegrid just posted a message to either downgrade from 295.xx or not install it at all.
GPUgrid also did a notice to everyone about 295.x so just stay away from it. Hopefully Nvidia will push a fixed one out for the GTX600's launch some time this month.
I had a PM off someone at Nvidia on friday morning who was trying to reproduce the issue, he had attached to GPUGRID but hadn't managed to reproduce it,
i suggested he try different projects with shorter workunits (Seti & PrimeGrid) and i gave him the steps i used with the MBBench program to reproduce the issue,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Mar 2012, 08:46:12 am
ATI Catalyst 12.2. pre-certified drivers released.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/catalyst122precertifieddriver.aspx

Official HD 7.x support.

Mike
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 06 Mar 2012, 11:35:31 am
I had a PM off someone at Nvidia on friday morning who was trying to reproduce the issue, he had attached to GPUGRID but hadn't managed to reproduce it,
i suggested he try different projects with shorter workunits (Seti & PrimeGrid) and i gave him the steps i used with the MBBench program to reproduce the issue,

Claggy

Good news on this one: http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=9307&nowrap=true#116272

Jacob Klein also had a PM from Nvidia, and managed to show him how to reproduce it at Einstein. So Nvidia are equipped to work on it now.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia nd ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 06 Mar 2012, 04:08:54 pm
ATI Catalyst 12.2. pre-certified drivers released.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/catalyst122ppecertifieddriver.aspx

Official HD 7.x support.

Mike
Couldn't get that one to work with a HD7750, but 12.3 preview works ok. (look for it at guru3d)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: M_M on 11 Mar 2012, 01:59:46 am
I also had to rollback to 290.53 drivers... 295.73 caused to many problems with SETI application. :( 

Hopefully, Nvidia will fix this soon...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: William on 13 Mar 2012, 10:32:17 am
NVidia 296.10 WHQL drivers are out.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 13 Mar 2012, 10:52:29 am
NVidia 296.10 WHQL drivers are out.

There are a number of fixes like "[GeForce 500 series][Mirrorʹs Edge]:”Driver not responding” error occurs when playing the game with SLI enabled.", but nothing specific to our 'crashes when DVI monitor is put to sleep'. It would be good if somebody who experienced that could test, but proceed at caution.

BTW, is the monitor sleep problem particularly prevalent on GeForce 500 series?

Edit: WARNING - a test report indicates that the monitor sleep bug is still present. Don't upgrade unless you know you're immune, or prepared to take precautions as before.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: MarkJ on 14 Mar 2012, 06:19:57 am
Just looked an Einstein user who is complaining about being throttled. It seems he is running 296.10 and all his cuda tasks have failed, so they haven't fixed it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 14 Mar 2012, 06:51:10 am
I've had email confirmation this morning that NVidia have acknowledged the re-reported bug in 296.10 and are working on it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 15 Mar 2012, 07:58:45 am
More news from Einstein (http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=9307&nowrap=true#116415):

Quote from: Oliver Bock
Update: this bug is considered as release critical (show-stopper) for the next NVIDIA driver release that's due in 2-4 weeks. Thus a fix will be available by that time.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 15 Mar 2012, 02:01:10 pm
You have got to wonder why this was not picked up at Beta stage !!!


More news from Einstein (http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=9307&nowrap=true#116415):

Quote from: Oliver Bock
Update: this bug is considered as release critical (show-stopper) for the next NVIDIA driver release that's due in 2-4 weeks. Thus a fix will be available by that time.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 15 Mar 2012, 02:08:51 pm
You have got to wonder why this was not picked up at Beta stage !!!


More news from Einstein (http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=9307&nowrap=true#116415):

Quote from: Oliver Bock
Update: this bug is considered as release critical (show-stopper) for the next NVIDIA driver release that's due in 2-4 weeks. Thus a fix will be available by that time.

Because they could not initially replicate the problem.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 15 Mar 2012, 02:28:06 pm
More news from Einstein (http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=9307&nowrap=true#116415):

Quote from: Oliver Bock
Update: this bug is considered as release critical (show-stopper) for the next NVIDIA driver release that's due in 2-4 weeks. Thus a fix will be available by that time.

That's good news; there are several, game-/application-related issues why I would like to install these newer drivers, but the CUDA bug prevented me from doing that.

We'll see what happens with the next release...

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 29 Mar 2012, 08:57:27 pm
Catalyst 12.3 is out

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 03 Apr 2012, 02:09:35 am
AMD Catalyst 12.4 preview and OpenCL 1.2 Beta drivers available.
http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx

Go to the middle of the page.

4/2/2012 23:01:50 |  | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 460 (driver version 290.53, device version OpenCL 1.1 CUDA, 768MB, 696MB available)
4/2/2012 23:01:50 |  | OpenCL: ATI GPU 0: Capeverde (driver version CAL 1.4.1720 (VM), device version OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (923.1), 1024MB, 984MB available)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 03 Apr 2012, 07:43:54 am
Capeverde -  is it HD7xxx GPU ?

Good to see OpenCL 1.2 available. It definitely has some opportunities for better app performance with proper optimization done.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 03 Apr 2012, 11:51:05 am
Capeverde -  is it HD7xxx GPU ?

Good to see OpenCL 1.2 available. It definitely has some opportunities for better app performance with proper optimization done.

HD7750, I have run some benches on it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 03 Apr 2012, 04:52:13 pm
Capeverde -  is it HD7xxx GPU ?

Good to see OpenCL 1.2 available. It definitely has some opportunities for better app performance with proper optimization done.
I use a pair of HD7750 in my Sandy Bridge host since late February and was sitting without a working driver before 12.4 preview was reaching public mid of march.  :D
This Linux version "switched the lights back on" on my host.
But it has certain defects, for example i can't run more than one MBv6/v7 task per gpu at the same time with this driver and BOINC 6.10.58. Have not investigated further, so far.  :-\
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: glennaxl on 08 Apr 2012, 07:44:12 pm
Quadro driver 296.35 doesn't suffer from CUDA sleep bug.

I've used a modded inf file to use for my gtx 5xx
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 09 Apr 2012, 11:10:08 am
301.24 Beta drivers are available from Nvidia now http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-uk

Edit links broken this one works http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/43622
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 09 Apr 2012, 12:09:19 pm
301.24 Beta drivers are available from Nvidia now http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-uk

Edit links broken this one works http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/43622
This one works too:

http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windows/301.24/301.24-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-beta.exe

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: glennaxl on 09 Apr 2012, 01:33:20 pm
301.24 Beta drivers are available from Nvidia now http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-uk

Edit links broken this one works http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/43622
This one works too:

http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windows/301.24/301.24-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-beta.exe

Claggy
Does the CUDA sleep bug exist for this driver release?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 09 Apr 2012, 01:38:14 pm
301.24 Beta drivers are available from Nvidia now http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-uk

Edit links broken this one works http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/43622
This one works too:

http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windows/301.24/301.24-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-beta.exe

Claggy
Does the CUDA sleep bug exist for this driver release?
I don't know, there's no mention of it in the Release Notes as being fixed, or being an outstanding Bug,

It'll be a few hours before my i7-2600K gets to a point where i can install 301.24, I'll let this thread know then, unless someone else gets it installed before hand,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Ghost0210 on 09 Apr 2012, 01:59:32 pm
301.24 Beta drivers are available from Nvidia now http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-uk

Edit links broken this one works http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/43622
This one works too:

http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windows/301.24/301.24-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-beta.exe

Claggy
Does the CUDA sleep bug exist for this driver release?
I don't know, there's no mention of it in the Release Notes as being fixed, or being an outstanding Bug,

It'll be a few hours before my i7-2600K gets to a point where i can install 301.24, I'll let this thread know then, unless someone else gets it installed before hand,

Claggy

I've got the new drivers installed, but as I don't use DVI connections I've never been able to replicate this
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 09 Apr 2012, 06:51:13 pm
301.24 Beta drivers are available from Nvidia now http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-uk

Edit links broken this one works http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/43622
This one works too:

http://uk.download.nvidia.com/Windows/301.24/301.24-desktop-win7-winvista-64bit-international-beta.exe

Claggy
Does the CUDA sleep bug exist for this driver release?
Yes, the Cuda sleep Bug does still exist with 301.24, But i'm not experiencing it all the time now, I've been having great trouble getting it to fail during benches, so it might have been fixed,
I'm now going to run live Cuda Wu's overnight with 301.24.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 10 Apr 2012, 12:55:12 pm
And... What is the verdict? Is the CUDA bug fixed, or still there?

I'm very tempted to install it, but since I use DVI, and blank my screen, I will probably very susceptible to the bug occurring (and ruining Seti work at the same time).

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 10 Apr 2012, 01:03:17 pm
And... What is the verdict? Is the CUDA bug fixed, or still there?

I'm very tempted to install it, but since I use DVI, and blank my screen, I will probably very susceptible to the bug occurring (and ruining Seti work at the same time).

Regards, Patrick.
Yes, it is fixed, i even downgraded to 295.73 to double check, now crunching on 301.24 again, it did a few Einstein BRP4Cuda tasks this morning no problem,
and has done ~40 odd Seti Cuda tasks late this afternoon with the monitor asleep no problem,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 10 Apr 2012, 01:09:06 pm
And... What is the verdict? Is the CUDA bug fixed, or still there?

I'm very tempted to install it, but since I use DVI, and blank my screen, I will probably very susceptible to the bug occurring (and ruining Seti work at the same time).

Regards, Patrick.
Yes, it is fixed, i even downgraded to 295.73 to double check, now crunching on 301.24 again, it did a few Einstein BRP4Cuda tasks this morning no problem,
and has done ~40 odd Seti Cuda tasks late this afternoon with the monitor asleep no problem,

Claggy

Thank you very much! Going to install it now. Will report back here too.

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: glennaxl on 10 Apr 2012, 05:04:57 pm
Same here no more CUDA sleep bug.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 10 Apr 2012, 06:02:29 pm
Installed them, let the machine blank the screen a few times while monitoring BOINC remotely, and all seems ok.

However, since I never ran drivers which had this bug, cannot compare behaviour to that; only these drivers behave the same as the old ones. ;)

Ciao, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 10 Apr 2012, 08:53:15 pm
Any improvement in performance ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: glennaxl on 11 Apr 2012, 09:45:10 pm
Any improvement in performance ?
Not good here. On a 3 GPU rig, the 3rd always down clock. Overall its about 2mins slower. I've reverted back 296.35.

anyone else?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: msattler on 12 Apr 2012, 02:11:09 pm
LOL...great work, NV.
I'm not budging from 290.53.....
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 26 Apr 2012, 04:33:48 am
ATI drivers 12.4. released.


Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 26 Apr 2012, 12:14:03 pm
Since I am already using them, I think I will stay put for the time being.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: SubSpace on 26 Apr 2012, 02:49:43 pm
I downloaded them as a beta version, when set OpenCL 1.2. Think that, there is no sense to reinstall them.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 28 Apr 2012, 12:18:56 pm
what are the improvements of 12. version? today going on shore leaves and downloaded in hotel wifi but can see so much.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 01 May 2012, 02:41:49 pm
when arrived home just updated to the latest official NVidida (296.10 x64) driver and really a nightmare no work could be done to the end in Collatz and Primegrid all CUDA work was ruined I revert to (285.62 x64) and work is running smoothly on a GTX460.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 01 May 2012, 02:54:02 pm
when arrived home just updated to the latest official NVidida (296.10 x64) driver and really a nightmare no work could be done to the end in Collatz and Primegrid all CUDA work was ruined I revert to (285.62 x64) and work is running smoothly on a GTX460.
As has mentioned repeatilily across various forums, 295.xx and 296.xx drivers have a Monitor Sleep Bug, if a monitor connected to the DVI or HDMI ports goes to sleep the cuda device becomes unavailable,
eithier set the monitor to never sleep, and physically turn it off, or revert to 290.xx or earlier drivers, or 301.xx or later drivers.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: msattler on 02 May 2012, 10:24:26 am
I am starting to see a few users in 'top computers' on Seti using 301.10, 301.24, and 301.32....
Has anybody had the time to run any valid speed comparisons against 290.53, which has been my trusty standby so far?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 02 May 2012, 10:27:50 am
I am starting to see a few users in 'top computers' on Seti using 301.10, 301.24, and 301.32....
Has anybody had the time to run any valid speed comparisons against 290.53, which has been my trusty standby so far?

No. Be our guest.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 02 May 2012, 04:21:57 pm
when arrived home just updated to the latest official NVidida (296.10 x64) driver and really a nightmare no work could be done to the end in Collatz and Primegrid all CUDA work was ruined I revert to (285.62 x64) and work is running smoothly on a GTX460.
As has mentioned repeatilily across various forums, 295.xx and 296.xx drivers have a Monitor Sleep Bug, if a monitor connected to the DVI or HDMI ports goes to sleep the cuda device becomes unavailable,
eithier set the monitor to never sleep, and physically turn it off, or revert to 290.xx or earlier drivers, or 301.xx or later drivers.

Claggy
thanks for the update supposed that 301.xx still beta?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 02 May 2012, 04:27:52 pm
when arrived home just updated to the latest official NVidida (296.10 x64) driver and really a nightmare no work could be done to the end in Collatz and Primegrid all CUDA work was ruined I revert to (285.62 x64) and work is running smoothly on a GTX460.
As has mentioned repeatilily across various forums, 295.xx and 296.xx drivers have a Monitor Sleep Bug, if a monitor connected to the DVI or HDMI ports goes to sleep the cuda device becomes unavailable,
eithier set the monitor to never sleep, and physically turn it off, or revert to 290.xx or earlier drivers, or 301.xx or later drivers.

Claggy
thanks for the update supposed that 301.xx still beta?
Yes, it was when I checked a couple of hours ago.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 06 May 2012, 12:23:06 pm
Quote
thanks for the update supposed that 301.xx still beta?
Quote
Yes, it was when I checked a couple of hours ago.


downloaded and working with 301.24 win 7 x64 will see what happens??
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 23 May 2012, 01:11:12 pm
New NVIDIA WHQL 301.42 drivers are available.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 26 May 2012, 11:20:39 am
New NVIDIA WHQL 301.42 drivers are available.

    Any noticable difference from 301.24 beta ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 26 May 2012, 11:41:11 am
New NVIDIA WHQL 301.42 drivers are available.

    Any noticable difference from 301.24 beta ?

Updated a day or two ago, and everything is still running.

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: BANZAI56 on 04 Jun 2012, 10:21:38 am
So from those testing it, is 301.42 a good choice?


I'm getting what appears to be thrashing from Diablo 3 & SETI/Collatz, using 280.26.
I ran the cache out and Diablo now has no problems...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 18 Jun 2012, 03:31:00 pm
304.48 Beta is out,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 18 Jun 2012, 04:54:28 pm
So from those testing it, is 301.42 a good choice?


I'm getting what appears to be thrashing from Diablo 3 & SETI/Collatz, using 280.26.
I ran the cache out and Diablo now has no problems...
LoL, offtopic: Diablo 3 has problems here still - no available copies in shops ;D
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: glennaxl on 18 Jun 2012, 09:46:56 pm
304.48 Beta is out,

Claggy
Finally NVidia have fixed the issue where my 3rd card runs at 50Mhz.

So far so good.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 23 Jun 2012, 07:52:57 pm
304.48 Beta is out,

Claggy

    Anybody running it yet  ? results ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 23 Jun 2012, 08:08:11 pm
I know I am, I installed it alpha testing.

About the same speed as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 29 Jun 2012, 12:20:16 pm
ATI drivers package catalyst 12.6 have been released yesterday (06/28). There are now different packages for HD4000- and HD5000+ GPUs.

There is also a 12.7 Beta driver available for download.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 03 Jul 2012, 04:05:26 pm
304.79 Beta has been released today.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 03 Jul 2012, 04:43:45 pm
Would be good to test known issues with new drivers too.
So, does new NV driver  hog CPU still?
Does ATi driver  can't deal with process priorities right and cause low GPU usage still ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 16 Aug 2012, 06:00:44 am
Catalyst 12.8 has been released.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 16 Aug 2012, 09:16:13 am
Catalyst 12.8 has been released.

Claggy

Additional note.

Version 12.8 is now compatible with Win 8 as well.

äMike
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 16 Aug 2012, 09:52:55 am
Catalyst 12.8 has been released.

Claggy

I hope that would be better installer than 12.6 because I've installed 12.4 in 3 of my computers and installed the version 12.6 and always got 12.4 installed ????????

I've un-installed 12.4 reboot and set-up as new installation 12.6 and "About" software version ale-hoop 12.4 installed is this a witches game ??  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 16 Aug 2012, 11:20:59 am
now installed in two APUs AMD E-350 new version 12.8 and correctly displayed in CC version number 12.8

soob  :'( in my AMD HD4770 only available new 12.6 Legacy but at least updated to this version instead my previous message that with 12.6 only could get 12.4, I guess I'd start thinking in upgrade that computer and about it I'm thinking in new APUs AMD FirePro A300 Series with double precision GPU too and four cores.

in Spanish but could see them: http://www.xataka.com/componentes-de-pc/amd-tambien-profesionaliza-sus-apu
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 16 Aug 2012, 12:42:16 pm
Cat 12.8 is for HD5 and above only.

Latest driver for HD 4 cards is 12.6.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 27 Aug 2012, 09:25:13 pm
GeForce 306.02 Beta is now available.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 27 Aug 2012, 11:14:13 pm
Downloading now.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: msattler on 28 Aug 2012, 01:01:25 am
Do the video game increases in performance they claim for this new driver also relate to increased CUDA performance, or are the two not necessarily related?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 28 Aug 2012, 01:26:42 am
Do the video game increases in performance they claim for this new driver also relate to increased CUDA performance, or are the two not necessarily related?

We have seen some performance increase with the newer CUDA versions, but it can be a crap shoot.

This was run with the 304.xx drivers

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WU : PG0395_v7.wu
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  Elapsed 35.302 secs, speedup: 97.35%  ratio: 37.76
      CPU 10.031 secs, speedup: 99.25%  ratio: 132.48
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda42.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 34.800 secs, speedup: 97.39%  ratio: 38.31
      CPU 9.953 secs, speedup: 99.25%  ratio: 133.52
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  Elapsed 37.780 secs, speedup: 97.17%  ratio: 35.28
      CPU 9.469 secs, speedup: 99.29%  ratio: 140.34
 
WU : PG0444_v7.wu
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  Elapsed 1038.917 secs
      CPU 1033.438 secs
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  Elapsed 31.420 secs, speedup: 96.98%  ratio: 33.07
      CPU 9.672 secs, speedup: 99.06%  ratio: 106.85
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  Elapsed 31.330 secs, speedup: 96.98%  ratio: 33.16
      CPU 9.422 secs, speedup: 99.09%  ratio: 109.68
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  Elapsed 33.950 secs, speedup: 96.73%  ratio: 30.60
      CPU 9.126 secs, speedup: 99.12%  ratio: 113.24
 
WU : PG1327_v7.wu
setiathome_6.97_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 793.029 secs
      CPU 789.047 secs
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda41.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 43.320 secs, speedup: 94.54%  ratio: 18.31
      CPU 15.132 secs, speedup: 98.08%  ratio: 52.14
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda42.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 43.440 secs, speedup: 94.52%  ratio: 18.26
      CPU 16.193 secs, speedup: 97.95%  ratio: 48.73
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda50preview.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 50.302 secs, speedup: 93.66%  ratio: 15.77
      CPU 14.399 secs, speedup: 98.18%  ratio: 54.80

This was with the 306.02 drivers.

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  Elapsed 162.660 secs, speedup: 82.09%  ratio: 5.58
      CPU 30.498 secs, speedup: 96.62%  ratio: 29.62
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda41.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 153.840 secs, speedup: 83.06%  ratio: 5.90
      CPU 30.545 secs, speedup: 96.62%  ratio: 29.58
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda50preview.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 142.102 secs, speedup: 84.35%  ratio: 6.39
      CPU 8.830 secs, speedup: 99.02%  ratio: 102.32
 
WU : PG0395_v7.wu
setiathome_6.97_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 1333.053 secs
      CPU 1328.922 secs
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda32.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 3.860 secs, speedup: 99.71%  ratio: 345.35
      CPU 1.685 secs, speedup: 99.87%  ratio: 788.68
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda41.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 35.770 secs, speedup: 97.32%  ratio: 37.27
      CPU 9.890 secs, speedup: 99.26%  ratio: 134.37
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda50preview.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 37.870 secs, speedup: 97.16%  ratio: 35.20
      CPU 8.845 secs, speedup: 99.33%  ratio: 150.25
 
WU : PG0444_v7.wu
setiathome_6.97_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 1038.917 secs
      CPU 1033.438 secs
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda32.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 43.350 secs, speedup: 95.83%  ratio: 23.97
      CPU 14.336 secs, speedup: 98.61%  ratio: 72.09
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda41.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 31.490 secs, speedup: 96.97%  ratio: 32.99
      CPU 8.783 secs, speedup: 99.15%  ratio: 117.66
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda50preview.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 33.950 secs, speedup: 96.73%  ratio: 30.60
      CPU 8.674 secs, speedup: 99.16%  ratio: 119.14
 
WU : PG1327_v7.wu
setiathome_6.97_windows_intelx86.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 793.029 secs
      CPU 789.047 secs
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda32.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 70.590 secs, speedup: 91.10%  ratio: 11.23
      CPU 24.726 secs, speedup: 96.87%  ratio: 31.91
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda41.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 43.870 secs, speedup: 94.47%  ratio: 18.08
      CPU 15.834 secs, speedup: 97.99%  ratio: 49.83
Lunatics_x41z_win32_cuda50preview.exe -verb -nog :
  Elapsed 51.860 secs, speedup: 93.46%  ratio: 15.29
      CPU 15.741 secs, speedup: 98.01%  ratio: 50.13
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: M_M on 31 Aug 2012, 02:34:58 pm
I just replaced cuda 3.2 with cuda 4.1 dll's in x41g (in app_info.xml). Not sure this is the right way, but it seems working ok for now...

If this is not a right way, then I probably need a new build...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 31 Aug 2012, 05:36:54 pm
I just replaced cuda 3.2 with cuda 4.1 dll's in x41g (in app_info.xml). Not sure this is the right way, but it seems working ok for now...

If this is not a right way, then I probably need a new build...
Check using Process Explorer (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx) exactly which DLLs are being used, and where they are being loaded from. You may be surprised - I certainly was, the first time I loaded a CUDA application which could not possibly have worked (as yours can't) - but found that it did.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: M_M on 02 Sep 2012, 01:51:57 am
According to Process Explorer, it seems to be using cuda from C:\Windows\SysWOW64\nvcuda.dll, which is Cuda 5.0.1 from 305.68 drivers.

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 02 Sep 2012, 05:29:49 am
According to Process Explorer, it seems to be using cuda from C:\Windows\SysWOW64\nvcuda.dll, which is Cuda 5.0.1 from 305.68 drivers.
The ones which matter are CUDART and CUFFT.

Nowadays, these DLLs are 'strictly versioned': Dependency Walker (http://www.dependencywalker.com/) will confirm that x41g depends on

CUDART32_32_16.DLL
CUFFT32_32_16.DLL

It is difficult (but possible) to use alternative versions, because of cross-dependencies, but I suspect x41g will have found what it needs and will still be using it, in spite of your changes to app_info.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 08 Sep 2012, 08:42:38 am
Shore loeaves are over  :'( :'( and just in the airport to take a flight to the ship in Liverpool, UK.

now I won't be able to test new drivers at home until near X-Mas.

cheers all untill next leaves  ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 13 Sep 2012, 12:57:00 pm
New NVIDIA WHQL Drivers are out: 306.23.

Downloading now. ;)

Regards, Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 13 Sep 2012, 08:55:02 pm
installing now.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 15 Sep 2012, 06:12:38 am
I have installed them on my main Windows 7 x64/Q6600/8800GTX machine, and it's happily crunching along.

So it all still works, though I have no idea of a speed-up, if any.

Regards,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 11 Oct 2012, 05:23:51 pm
NVIDIA just released new drivers: 306.97 - WHQL.

Just installed them on my main rig.

EDIT: Cuda app restarted, no apparent problems.

Regards,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 11 Oct 2012, 07:20:50 pm
Currently downloading it in preparation for tomorrows delivery.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 11 Oct 2012, 07:44:43 pm
Downloaded and about to install.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Dirk on 11 Oct 2012, 11:31:37 pm
NVIDIA just released new drivers: 306.97 - WHQL.
(...)
Hmm ..

For my old system (GTX260, WinXP 32bit), after NV 306.23 WHQL now 306.81 WHQL driver released ..
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Dirk on 18 Oct 2012, 05:26:46 pm
WinXP: 306.81
WinVista, 7 & 8: 306.97

;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 02 Nov 2012, 09:19:24 pm
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win8-win7-winvista-64bit-310.33-beta-driver.html
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: cristipurdel on 04 Nov 2012, 05:33:50 am
Question:
Has anyone seen any speedups after installing software like clAmdBlas or cl AmdFft, or amd dual core optimizer?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 04 Nov 2012, 10:45:06 pm
Latest Catalyst driver 12.10 by AMD seems to come with defective OpenCL runtime. Pulses are suddenly missed that have been found so far ok (upto Cat 12.8). That is for 64bit Linux. Any similar problems seen on other OS's or platforms ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 17 Nov 2012, 05:59:53 pm
New Driver 310.54 now available

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 17 Nov 2012, 07:29:46 pm
New Driver 310.54 now available

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

Says 'Beta' for me.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 17 Nov 2012, 08:11:05 pm
New Driver 310.54 now available

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

Says 'Beta' for me.

   Oooopppsss, correct. i should have made that clear. 
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 20 Nov 2012, 09:15:17 pm
and now 310.61 Beta is available:

Quote
GeForce 310.61 drivers are a minor update from GeForce 310.54 drivers with improved compatibility for PlanetSide 2 and Hitman: Absolution.

I wouldn't be surprised if other things have changed too through

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 20 Nov 2012, 09:17:53 pm
and on the AMD side, we're up to 12.11_Beta8

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 20 Nov 2012, 09:42:14 pm
and now 310.61 Beta is available:

Quote
GeForce 310.61 drivers are a minor update from GeForce 310.54 drivers with improved compatibility for PlanetSide 2 and Hitman: Absolution.

I wouldn't be surprised if other things have changed too through

Claggy

Well, since I have neither of those games, I think I will skip this update.

Now if it had an update for Assassins Creed III.........
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 20 Nov 2012, 09:45:08 pm
and now 310.61 Beta is available:

Quote
GeForce 310.61 drivers are a minor update from GeForce 310.54 drivers with improved compatibility for PlanetSide 2 and Hitman: Absolution.

I wouldn't be surprised if other things have changed too through

Claggy

     "New and Improved"  i never could resist a new
toy. Downloading now.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: PatrickV2 on 28 Nov 2012, 05:43:01 pm
... and NVIDIA just released 310.64 beta.

Downloaded, but not installed/tested yet.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 10 Dec 2012, 04:57:01 pm
310.70 Beta now available

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win8-win7-winvista-64bit-310.70-driver.html
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 12 Dec 2012, 03:12:43 am
This is just an observation and I can not back it up with anything solid at the moment, but after upgrading to 310.70 my 660TI seems to be crunching WU's by 2 minutes faster on average.  Yet my 570 in the same rig appears to be unchanged - is anybody else seeing this with Keplers or is it just a fluke ???


310.70 Beta now available

http://www.nvidia.com/object/win8-win7-winvista-64bit-310.70-driver.html
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 18 Dec 2012, 01:33:14 pm
NVIDIA 310.70 drivers have been released as WHQL
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: _heinz on 20 Dec 2012, 03:10:45 am
NVIDIA 310.70 drivers have been released as WHQL
description:   
GeForce 310.70 Driver
File size:   
214.1 MB (224,518,032 octets)
Driver Version:   
9.18.13.1070 (2012.12.03)
Operating Systems:   
Windows 8 x64, Windows 7 x64, Windows Vista x64
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 20 Dec 2012, 04:18:21 am
There are many other file versions - for 32-bit OSs, for Windows XP, for notebook GPUs - make sure you get the right one.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 24 Dec 2012, 06:26:08 am
I've already purchase a replacement PC for my daughter and wish to work with it with BOINC, now the fact:
(still not arrived home)

AMD APU A10
AMD HD 7770

supposed that with new drivers I had to switch off the Crossfire feature.

how the system would recognise in which card work for different projects?? e.g. SETI, Collatz, Distrigen there would be no problem as both are capable to compute but Milkyway would be only in HD7770 as being double precision.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 02 Jan 2013, 09:33:29 am
From APP SDK 2.8 release notes:

Quote
Driver support for 7xx generation GPUs is EOL. AMD drivers no longer support 7xx generation
GPUs; this includes support for ATI Radeon™ HD and ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4000 series
devices, ATI FirePro™ V8750, V8700, V7750, V5700, V2750, ATI Mobility FirePro™ M7740,
and AMD FireStream™ 9270, 9250.

Also:

Quote
It is necessary to install Catalyst 12.10 graphics drivers prior to installation of SDK 2.8. Vital
components of AMD's OpenCL solution are now contained within the drivers.

This means no APP SDK 2.8 based SETI apps for now.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 06 Jan 2013, 11:52:06 am
Nvidia 310.90  WHQL is now available.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 18 Jan 2013, 05:28:27 am
Catalyst 13.1 WHQL is out

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 18 Jan 2013, 11:52:52 am
 :-\ AMDs catalyst-uninstall-utility (http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/catalyst-uninstall-utility.aspx) for windows was updated, too.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 18 Jan 2013, 01:49:51 pm
:-\ AMDs catalyst-uninstall-utility (http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/catalyst-uninstall-utility.aspx) for windows was updated, too.
Maybe because of Claggy's post in AMD forums? ;) He provided quite big list of leftovers... hope AMD will try to fix that.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 18 Jan 2013, 04:15:21 pm
:-\ AMDs catalyst-uninstall-utility (http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/Pages/catalyst-uninstall-utility.aspx) for windows was updated, too.
Downloaded, I'll try Cat 13.1 tomorrow, If i need to go back to Cat 12.8 i'll try the uninstaller,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 18 Jan 2013, 04:53:11 pm
Report if problem with broken compiler solved, please.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 29 Jan 2013, 12:55:28 pm
NVIDIA - GeForce 313.96 Driver BETA released today.

Apparently there was a security vulnerability in 310.70 (WHQL), and an installer bug aftecting multiple cards in SLI with the replacement 310.90 WHQL.

I suggest you keep an eye on https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/33/geforce-drivers/ - note especially the 'Updated 1/28/13 - NVIDIA 310.90 Geforce SLI/Multi-GPU Cold Boot GPU issue' thread.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 29 Jan 2013, 02:51:22 pm
Report if problem with broken compiler solved, please.
Delayed response: No, Cat 13.1 produced compilations still produce driver restarts with latest AMD/ATI MB apps,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 31 Jan 2013, 07:22:39 am
Report if problem with broken compiler solved, please.
Delayed response: No, Cat 13.1 produced compilations still produce driver restarts with latest AMD/ATI MB apps,

Claggy
Catalyst 13.2beta3 has been released today (see next post by Claggy !). Another one for testing, i guess. Downloading linux driver ....
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 31 Jan 2013, 07:33:15 am
Report if problem with broken compiler solved, please.
Delayed response: No, Cat 13.1 produced compilations still produce driver restarts with latest AMD/ATI MB apps,

Claggy
Catalyst 13.2beta3 has been released today. Another one for testing, i guess. Downloading linux driver ....
The Windows Cat 13.2 Beta 3 was released two days ago, that version won't even do the compilations,

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 31 Jan 2013, 07:40:55 am
The Windows Cat 13.2 Beta 3 was released two days ago, that version won't even do the compilations,

Claggy
Couldn't get it the linux driver to download yesterday, but today download works properly. Will test it anyway, if it still not works then maybe the next beta will.

LATER:
Just finished test with Catalyst 13.2 beta3 on 64bit openSuSE Linux : The driver crashes have stopped, no more rebooting of the host is necessary now. But the OpenCL compiler still refuses to make binaries from our kernels. It finishes on my SBi5 with a HD7750 right away with the error message : "Internal error: Compilation failed."
So, lets hope for something better ...  :-\
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 31 Jan 2013, 12:16:27 pm
Do some trolling on AMD site then :)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 03 Feb 2013, 01:29:31 pm
Cat 13.2 beta 4 has totally broke APP runtime also.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 18 Feb 2013, 03:49:15 pm
314.07 WHQL is out, downloaded and installed.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 06 Mar 2013, 06:21:13 am
314.14 Beta now available.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 07 Mar 2013, 12:01:20 pm
Just finished test with Catalyst 13.2 beta3 on 64bit openSuSE Linux : The driver crashes have stopped, no more rebooting of the host is necessary now. But the OpenCL compiler still refuses to make binaries from our kernels. It finishes on my SBi5 with a HD7750 right away with the error message : "Internal error: Compilation failed."
So, lets hope for something better ...  :-\
Tested Catalyst 13.2 beta7 today (on i7IB host), but can't report an progress. Same issue like before!!  >:(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 07 Mar 2013, 01:28:04 pm
Urs, can you cut file down kernel by kernel to see where compiler crashes?
Having precise location will help in debuggiong a lot.

EDIT: Also, please make reports of each you attempt on AMD site too. While they looking into our issues we should provide as much info as we can. And maybe they will find fix...
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 07 Mar 2013, 04:23:00 pm
Will see what i can do.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 17 Mar 2013, 07:59:29 pm
314.21 beta available.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 25 Mar 2013, 03:12:29 pm
And now v314.22 WHQL. That should be the official fixed version for OpenCL on TITAN.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 26 Mar 2013, 02:31:43 pm
And now v314.22 WHQL. That should be the official fixed version for OpenCL on TITAN.

downloaded via "GeForce Experience" 3 days ago the beta version 21 and yesterday afternoon the version 22, at least looks like that the set-up for 22 has been smooth and safe as per previous versions I was stuck at the end with the installation of 3D driver that most of the time I'd to de-install the whole previous driver/bundle and clean install of new driver required, otherwise as stated before the installation stuck at the end of the 3D software.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 31 Mar 2013, 10:40:11 am
I've just put 314.22 and Cat 13.3 Beta 3 on my host today, Cat 13.3 Beta 3 compilations still fail:

Quote
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r1779.cl
INFO: can't open binary kernel file: .\\MultiBeam_Kernels_r1779.clHD5_Capeverde.bin_V7, continue with recompile...
Error : Building Program (source, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -11
Internal error: Compilation failed.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 31 Mar 2013, 10:48:36 am
report on AMD forum please with conditions of upgrade
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 23 Apr 2013, 01:47:00 pm
Nvidia has just released Geforce 320.00 Beta GPU driver. I will install tomorrow and see what gives !!!!
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 24 Apr 2013, 10:25:33 am
Nvidia has just released Geforce 320.00 Beta GPU driver. I will install tomorrow and see what gives !!!!
I'd lay off trying that version just yet, I'm just getting the following on all the x41zc apps:

Quote
Cuda error 'cudaMalloc((void**) &dev_cx_DataArray' in file 'c:/[Projects]/__Sources/sah_v7_opt/Xbranch/client/cuda/cudaAcceleration.cu' in line 328 : all CUDA-capable devices are busy or unavailable.
setiathome_CUDA: CUDA runtime ERROR in device memory allocation, attempt 1 of 6
cudaAcc_free() called...
 waiting 5 seconds...
 Reinitialising Cuda Device...
setiathome_CUDA: Found 1 CUDA device(s):
  Device 1: GeForce GTX 460, 1023 MiB, regsPerBlock 32768
     computeCap 2.1, multiProcs 7
     pciBusID = 1, pciSlotID = 0
     clockRate = 1600 MHz
setiathome_CUDA: No device specified, determined to use CUDA device 1: GeForce GTX 460
Cuda error 'cudaMalloc((void**) &dev_cx_DataArray' in file 'c:/[Projects]/__Sources/sah_v7_opt/Xbranch/client/cuda/cudaAcceleration.cu' in line 328 : all CUDA-capable devices are busy or unavailable.
setiathome_CUDA: CUDA runtime ERROR in device memory allocation, attempt 2 of 6

Edit: But 320.00 does work on my 9800GTX+, so your mileage may vary.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 24 Apr 2013, 07:12:11 pm
Testing on the GTX 650 Ti.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 25 Apr 2013, 03:06:27 am
Astropulse r1761 is running rock solid for the last 12 hours on my Titan.

Nvidia has just released Geforce 320.00 Beta GPU driver. I will install tomorrow and see what gives !!!!
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 25 Apr 2013, 08:32:22 am
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-4WINReleaseNotes.aspx

Cat 13.4 out.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 25 Apr 2013, 08:45:01 am
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-4WINReleaseNotes.aspx

Cat 13.4 out.

As is Cat 13.5 Beta 2

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/amdcatalyst13-5winbetadriver.aspx

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 25 Apr 2013, 09:33:07 am
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/amdcatalyst13-4linreleasenotes.aspx

Also Cat 13.4

Trying to find out what is ment by new OpenCL console mode.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 10 May 2013, 05:53:48 pm
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-4WINReleaseNotes.aspx

Cat 13.4 out.

Getting major driver crashes with these on a 6670 / Win7 64bits.

Trying 13.1 now.

I somehow have a feeling I'll be going back to 12.6 in the next days  :'(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 10 May 2013, 06:09:47 pm
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-4WINReleaseNotes.aspx

Cat 13.4 out.

Getting major driver crashes with these on a 6670 / Win7 64bits.

Trying 13.1 now.

I somehow have a feeling I'll be going back to 12.6 in the next days  :'(
While doing what exactly? running what apps? Link to the host?

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 11 May 2013, 04:48:26 am
Nothing particular namely being on the desktop, watching a youtube video etc could already lead to driver restart/BSODs.
Leaving SETI running overnight, I found the host had rebooted again.

Tested Cat 13.1 and it seems to have broken OpenCL altogether.

And.......back to 12.6 where all works fine as before.


Host is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4876884
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 11 May 2013, 04:58:18 am
Nothing particular namely being on the desktop, watching a youtube video etc could already lead to driver restart/BSODs.
Leaving SETI running overnight, I found the host had rebooted again.

Tested Cat 13.1 and it seems to have broken OpenCL altogether.

And.......back to 12.6 where all works fine as before.


Host is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4876884

Why are you still running that ancient app, we frequently release updated apps, like the recent ones to fix the Cat 13.2 and later problems, Cat 13.1 is still a driver to avoid,
See the thread one down from this one.

Quote
Windows optimized S@H Enhanced application by Alex Kan
Version info: SSE3x (AMD/Intel, Core 2-optimized v8-nographics) V5.13 by Alex Kan
SSE3x Win32 Build 426 , Ported by : Raistmer, JDWhale

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 11 May 2013, 05:22:49 am
Nothing particular namely being on the desktop, watching a youtube video etc could already lead to driver restart/BSODs.
Leaving SETI running overnight, I found the host had rebooted again.

Tested Cat 13.1 and it seems to have broken OpenCL altogether.

And.......back to 12.6 where all works fine as before.


Host is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4876884

Newer app versions for enhanced and astropulse are in that post for download (http://lunatics.kwsn.net/12-gpu-crunching/update-for-ati-mb-gpu-app.msg52234.html#msg52234).
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 13 May 2013, 01:25:44 pm
Thanks for pointing out new optimized apps were available. I missed that completely.

Have updated the apps, and it is running fine, on 12.6 that is. Not really in the mood the try again.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 14 May 2013, 01:56:52 am
Nvidia 320.14 (beta) have just become available in the last 24 hours and appear stable so far.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: SubSpace on 15 May 2013, 03:58:08 am
Nothing particular namely being on the desktop, watching a youtube video etc could already lead to driver restart/BSODs.
Leaving SETI running overnight, I found the host had rebooted again.

Tested Cat 13.1 and it seems to have broken OpenCL altogether.

And.......back to 12.6 where all works fine as before.


Host is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4876884


I have with these drivers had no problems  ::)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 24 May 2013, 02:38:44 am
NVIDIA 320.18 (WHQL) drivers released.

"Includes support for applications built using CUDA 5.5"
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 24 May 2013, 04:35:35 am
NVIDIA 320.18 (WHQL) drivers released.

"Includes support for applications built using CUDA 5.5"
The 320.00 drivers had CUDA 5.5 Support too.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 24 May 2013, 04:37:11 am
NVIDIA 320.18 (WHQL) drivers released.

"Includes support for applications built using CUDA 5.5"
The 320.00 drivers had CUDA 5.5 Support too.

Claggy

They were the Betas for this public release, I presume?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 24 May 2013, 04:42:40 am
NVIDIA 320.18 (WHQL) drivers released.

"Includes support for applications built using CUDA 5.5"
The 320.00 drivers had CUDA 5.5 Support too.

Claggy

They were the Betas for this public release, I presume?
Yep,

I did have trouble with them on my GTX460 (see earlier in this thread), i need to retry them, along with 320.14 & 320.18

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 01 Jun 2013, 08:51:25 am
320.18 has been causing some bsod's here.
Rolling back to 320.00
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 02 Jun 2013, 06:31:19 am
320.18 has been causing some bsod's here.
Rolling back to 320.00



Which apps are causing BSOD ??
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 02 Jun 2013, 10:37:12 am
Correction:  intial analysis seemd to indicate
that the video driver was the issue. Further investigation showed
this not to be the case.  Apologies for the false alarm.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 30 Aug 2013, 12:48:45 pm
Last week I had two MSI twin frozr cards whose fans froz up. Only an ATI 4750 4850 replacement so I installed that. Reading thru the posts I see ATI 13.1 isn't fully functional.

My question: Is ATI 13.4 Beta working, or should I revert to an earlier version, 12.6 if I can find the link?

Thanks
Art

PS MSI wants $35 per card just to look into it. Tech support says the fans are not available separately. There's a Chinese company on Ebay selling MSI branded fans for these cards for about $25 so I ordered replacements. Probably the same company that makes them for MSI.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 30 Aug 2013, 02:02:29 pm
My question: Is ATI 13.4 Beta working, or should I revert to an earlier version, 12.6 if I can find the link?
There should be no problem with running Cat 13.2 or later with the current released apps, (Not had a chance to run the Cat 13.8 Beta driver yet)
although you'll want to delete the app's compilations so the app generates fresh ones for that driver (the .bin and .bin_* and .wisdom files for the GPU app revision that you're running), you should get a small speedup.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 31 Aug 2013, 04:37:49 am
Agreed.
All recent drives are working.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 01 Sep 2013, 02:40:28 am
Fans seem to be a weak point for MSI Frozr cards, I had two MSI Nvidia cards crap out on me last year after the fan started rattling and then slowing and ceasing up. Returned to MSI under warranty and they repaired, but same happened again within 90 days.

Last week I had two MSI twin frozr cards whose fans froz up. Only an ATI 4750 4850 replacement so I installed that. Reading thru the posts I see ATI 13.1 isn't fully functional.

My question: Is ATI 13.4 Beta working, or should I revert to an earlier version, 12.6 if I can find the link?

Thanks
Art

PS MSI wants $35 per card just to look into it. Tech support says the fans are not available separately. There's a Chinese company on Ebay selling MSI branded fans for these cards for about $25 so I ordered replacements. Probably the same company that makes them for MSI.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 01 Sep 2013, 10:55:16 am
Fans seem to be a weak point for MSI Frozr cards, I had two MSI Nvidia cards crap out on me last year after the fan started rattling and then slowing and ceasing up. Returned to MSI under warranty and they repaired, but same happened again within 90 days.

Last week I had two MSI twin frozr cards whose fans froz up. Only an ATI 4750 4850 replacement so I installed that. Reading thru the posts I see ATI 13.1 isn't fully functional.

My question: Is ATI 13.4 Beta working, or should I revert to an earlier version, 12.6 if I can find the link?

Thanks
Art

PS MSI wants $35 per card just to look into it. Tech support says the fans are not available separately. There's a Chinese company on Ebay selling MSI branded fans for these cards for about $25 so I ordered replacements. Probably the same company that makes them for MSI.

I had the same problem with Sapphire's fans as well, had one die, had it repaired under warranty and it died again a year later.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 02 Sep 2013, 06:33:22 pm
Tnx folks. ATI 13.4 Beta worked fine, got GPU going in SETI again using the latest KWSN apps.

We'll see how the Chinese-sourced fans do. I have an older ASUS 9800GTX, twice the hours as the MSI cards. That fan still works fine. Maybe have to look to ASUS for my next GPU.

Regards
Art

PS I tried installing ATI 13.8 Beta. The installer flunked the usability test, would not install. I tried the usual, fresh reboot, close all the hotel load apps, etc. Nothing worked. 13.4 installed without any issues.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 17 Sep 2013, 10:36:53 am
The fans work, we'll see about longevity.  GPU  4850 is working fine after updating to latest BOINC and KWSN apps.

New issue, this PC is getting no CPU work, only GPU. Hard to believe SETI and Milkyway both ran out of CPU work at the same time. How many ways are there for me to screw up and make this happen??

Thanks
Art
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: William on 17 Sep 2013, 12:00:17 pm
The fans work, we'll see about longevity.  GPU  4850 is working fine after updating to latest BOINC and KWSN apps.

New issue, this PC is getting no CPU work, only GPU. Hard to believe SETI and Milkyway both ran out of CPU work at the same time. How many ways are there for me to screw up and make this happen??

Thanks
Art
Several - link to host?
check:
- allow CPU work on project pages.
- CPU apps installed (especially with optimised)
- cache settings
- boinc balls up. can happen

can you post an instance of work_fetch_debug, so I can check on cache settings, levels and other anomalies?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 17 Sep 2013, 12:23:51 pm
http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/results.php?hostid=100603

SETI's currently down.

I reinstalled BOINC 7.0.64 then KWSN V0.41 installer. See what happens when SETI is back up.

According to MW@H "properties" in BOINC Manager  the project has no CPU apps. I should have looked!

Regards
Art
Latest work fetch req from stdoutdae. I guess everything's OK:
17-Sep-2013 10:20:38 [SETI@home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
17-Sep-2013 10:20:38 [SETI@home] Requesting new tasks for CPU and ATI
17-Sep-2013 10:20:39 [SETI@home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
17-Sep-2013 10:20:39 [SETI@home] Project is temporarily shut down for maintenance
17-Sep-2013 10:22:01 [Milkyway@Home] update requested by user
17-Sep-2013 10:22:04 [Milkyway@Home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
17-Sep-2013 10:22:04 [Milkyway@Home] Requesting new tasks for ATI
17-Sep-2013 10:22:05 [Milkyway@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 12 new tasks
17-Sep-2013 10:23:10 [Milkyway@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
17-Sep-2013 10:23:10 [Milkyway@Home] Requesting new tasks for ATI
17-Sep-2013 10:23:12 [Milkyway@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 13 new tasks
17-Sep-2013 10:23:14 [Milkyway@Home] Started download of 86_rev_3_1.prmtrs
17-Sep-2013 10:23:14 [Milkyway@Home] Started download of 86_DR_8_rev_3.stars
17-Sep-2013 10:23:15 [Milkyway@Home] Finished download of 86_rev_3_1.prmtrs
17-Sep-2013 10:23:19 [Milkyway@Home] Finished download of 86_DR_8_rev_3.stars
17-Sep-2013 10:24:18 [Milkyway@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
17-Sep-2013 10:24:18 [Milkyway@Home] Requesting new tasks for ATI
17-Sep-2013 10:24:19 [Milkyway@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 4 new tasks
17-Sep-2013 10:25:24 [Milkyway@Home] Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
17-Sep-2013 10:25:24 [Milkyway@Home] Requesting new tasks for ATI
17-Sep-2013 10:25:26 [Milkyway@Home] Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
17-Sep-2013 10:25:26 [Milkyway@Home] No tasks sent
17-Sep-2013 10:25:26 [Milkyway@Home] This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress
17-Sep-2013 10:25:26 [Milkyway@Home] Project has no tasks available
17-Sep-2013 10:28:47 [---] Resuming GPU computation
17-Sep-2013 10:28:47 [Milkyway@Home] Starting task ps_separation_79_DR_8_rev_3_1_1378743565_2311478_0 using milkyway version 102 (ati14ati) in slot 0
17-Sep-2013 10:28:47 [Milkyway@Home] Starting task ps_separation_79_DR_8_rev_3_1_1378743565_2311467_0 using milkyway version 102 (ati14ati) in slot 2
17-Sep-2013 10:29:44 [---] Suspending GPU computation - computer is in use
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: William on 17 Sep 2013, 12:40:46 pm
http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/apps.php

MW have lots of CPU apps - if boinc thinks they haven't then something is wrong. try and check their project setting page if you've allowed CPU work and the kind of apps that have CPU. sometimes boinc will choke.
I see you have anon for MW too - did you install CPU apps?

yep, seti is being asked for CPU work alright. so it becomes a question of why it isn;t bgetting any - might just be bad luck or require further diagnosis. when we are back up, try manual update a few times. If you are dry you need to manually purge (get tasks chached) to get evrything flowing again.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: k6xt on 17 Sep 2013, 01:02:51 pm
MW have lots of CPU apps - if boinc thinks they haven't then something is wrong. try and check their project setting page if you've allowed CPU work and the kind of apps that have CPU. sometimes boinc will choke.
I see you have anon for MW too - did you install CPU apps?

Apparently I did not install MW CPU apps. Nothing but ATI GPU apps in project folder. Installed and running now. Thanks for the rudder corrections!

Regards
Art
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 19 Sep 2013, 08:46:34 am
Released AMD Catalistyc 13.9.

will see if is there any improvement.

from my side have to do double install as for the first time the display driver was not updated and after re-boot and done again the set-up the drivers was updated.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 19 Sep 2013, 10:55:50 am
GeForce 327.23 WHQL was also released today.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 20 Sep 2013, 09:51:56 am
 
Released AMD Catalistyc 13.9.

will see if is there any improvement.

from my side have to do double install as for the first time the display driver was not updated and after re-boot and done again the set-up the drivers was updated.

It seems Windows Vista is no longer supported.   :-\
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 20 Sep 2013, 06:21:59 pm
GeForce 327.23 WHQL was also released today.

already updated this morning too in my GeForce GTX 650 Ti, will see how is the improvement.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 20 Sep 2013, 06:24:03 pm
It seems Windows Vista is no longer supported.   :-\

that's the first thing I noticed before download the bundle that there was no "Vista" naming anywhere in the pack.

time runs too fast.  :'(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 21 Sep 2013, 03:31:25 am
It seems Windows Vista is no longer supported.   :-\

that's the first thing I noticed before download the bundle that there was no "Vista" naming anywhere in the pack.

time runs too fast.  :'(

Yes, i`m still very happy with Vista.
But i will thinking about upgrading to Win 7 since i dont like Win 8 or 8.1.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 22 Sep 2013, 01:55:27 pm
Yes, i`m still very happy with Vista.
But i will thinking about upgrading to Win 7 since i dont like Win 8 or 8.1.


I'm the ones that won't like in that moment update from XP (I used for long time XP x64 and was very happy only some problems with some programs that have to do some warlock job for install it eg Itunes, Live essentials) to Vista but at last I upgraded to w7x64 and I was quite happy.

two month ago I received from my wife my birthday present that was the Surface Pro 128 w8x64 in the very first second I upgraded to 8.1 preview and really I'm happy with it. it's different and have to do some extra job for learning it but guess that future goes in that direction.

in my computer at home I've w7x64 and ultimate too but I really considering upgrade to 8.1 my daughter computer I purchase already with w8prox64 and when the definitive version of 8.1 it will be upgraded in time.  ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 22 Sep 2013, 02:02:01 pm
GeForce 327.23 WHQL was also released today.

already updated this morning too in my GeForce GTX 650 Ti, will see how is the improvement.

this is the first time that the set-up process goes smoothly as always in previous versions the process stuck at the end of the install of 3D software and had to kill the installation but there was not problem because the system didn't notice any wrong setup.

this time the setup was fine and after installing the 3D feature the program closes itself.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 22 Sep 2013, 03:53:10 pm
GeForce 327.23 WHQL was also released today.

already updated this morning too in my GeForce GTX 650 Ti, will see how is the improvement.

this is the first time that the set-up process goes smoothly as always in previous versions the process stuck at the end of the install of 3D software and had to kill the installation but there was not problem because the system didn't notice any wrong setup.

this time the setup was fine and after installing the 3D feature the program closes itself.

I always deselect the 3D portion of the installer, I don't do 3D so have need of it.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 05 Oct 2013, 07:10:21 am
Getting good reports of the BETA GeForce 331.40 Driver at GPUGrid, in particular for high-end (TITAN and GTX 780) cards.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: _heinz on 06 Oct 2013, 06:47:50 pm
Getting good reports of the BETA GeForce 331.40 Driver at GPUGrid, in particular for high-end (TITAN and GTX 780) cards.
I use it on my Titans
06.10.2013 16:09:06 |  | Starting BOINC client version 7.2.5 for windows_x86_64
06.10.2013 16:09:06 |  | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX TITAN (driver version 331.40, CUDA version 6.0, compute capability 3.5, 4096MB, 4096MB available, 4989 GFLOPS peak)

Boinc 7.2.5 did not use the RAM correct, it Shows 4GB but we have 6GB
@Richard, can you make a error-report ?
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 07 Oct 2013, 04:01:13 am
6GB of memory requires 64-bit CUDA app. Most probably all BOINc CUDA stuff is 32-bit one (just as most of CUDA BOINC apps are). Hence - 4GB.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 07 Oct 2013, 04:15:57 am
Boinc 7.2.5 did not use the RAM correct, it Shows 4GB but we have 6GB
@Richard, can you make a error-report ?

That was reported to the developers on 3 March - over six months ago.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 22 Oct 2013, 10:26:55 am
After upgrade from win 8 pro x64 to 8.1 via Microsoft store the crunching stopped and the GPU processing in BOINC was not found.

I did a re-install of 13.9 drivers for windows 8 and after restarted the computer the crunching came again, in the report of the installation there was a error message that the driver was not installed.

I guess that should be because the drivers of 13.9 there are not specific for 8.1 because so I downloaded the program for auto find and download only was found the 13.9 for the APU not for the dedicated one HD7770 but no file was downloaded as the software said that there was not available such file in the web ???

decided to do it manually and at the last drop box of the OS as 8.1 x64 there was no available files and tried with 8.0 x64 and now working.

hope could help if possible  ;)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 30 Oct 2013, 03:50:14 am
Is Windows 8.1 any better as I found the original Windows 8 to be an abortion and I ended installing my trusty Windows 7 DVD.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 30 Oct 2013, 09:27:52 am
Is Windows 8.1 any better as I found the original Windows 8 to be an abortion and I ended installing my trusty Windows 7 DVD.

If you dont like Win 8 you wont like Win 8.1 either.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Richard Haselgrove on 30 Oct 2013, 10:27:21 am
NVidia have released two new WHQL drivers in quick succession:

331.58   (21.10.2013)
331.65   (28.10.2013)

Not sure why yet - investigating.

Just bugfixes, it looks like.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: mr.mac52 on 31 Oct 2013, 12:52:27 am
I've had 331.58 running for 3 or 4 days now without any problems.  I'll pull 331.65 over night and install it tomorrow.

John
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: mr.mac52 on 02 Nov 2013, 11:33:45 am
331.65 is running just fine on my system.

John
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 25 Nov 2013, 02:40:56 pm
Intel 15.33.8.64.3345 (10.18.10.3345) drivers are out for Windows 7/8/8.1, up from the last revision of 15.31.17.64.3257 (9.18.10.3257) as of the 20th Nov.

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Matthias Lehmkuhl on 07 Jan 2014, 01:11:00 pm
Nvidia has released new drivers today
GeForce 332.21
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: corsair on 08 Jan 2014, 11:25:15 am
Intel 15.33.8.64.3345 (10.18.10.3345) drivers are out for Windows 7/8/8.1, up from the last revision of 15.31.17.64.3257 (9.18.10.3257) as of the 20th Nov.

Claggy

I've tried it in a Microsoft Surface Pro because of the i5 (& HD 4000) and told me that this driver (x64 version for win 8.1) is not designed for such processor/GPU I guess that should be Microsoft slave  :'(
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 26 Jan 2014, 05:46:01 pm
332.21 running fine here
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 18 Feb 2014, 04:16:48 pm
New GeForce v334.89 drivers available as of 1 hour ago.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: arkayn on 18 Feb 2014, 04:58:01 pm
New GeForce v334.89 drivers available as of 1 hour ago.

New driver for the GTX750 & 750Ti most likely.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 19 Feb 2014, 03:04:43 am
New GeForce v334.89 drivers available as of 1 hour ago.

New driver for the GTX750 & 750Ti most likely.

The drivers do include the new cards but also fix various glitches and notably boost performance in Hitman Absolution (Yee Haaa !!), but its to soon to see if this will filter through to Seti performance.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 24 Feb 2014, 09:12:50 am
New GeForce v334.89 drivers available as of 1 hour ago.

New driver for the GTX750 & 750Ti most likely.

The drivers do include the new cards but also fix various glitches and notably boost performance in Hitman Absolution (Yee Haaa !!), but its to soon to see if this will filter through to Seti performance.



The new drivers seem solid for me on the Titan, gaming is definitely boosted on some games but crunching is much the same.  By the way anybody considering the new cards look to the Seti forums where I've seen mention of there outstanding crunching ability on very little power useage.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: TouchuvGrey on 25 Aug 2014, 10:22:52 pm
downloading 340.52 now, and i'm back to crunching
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Josef W. Segur on 26 Aug 2014, 02:12:45 am
downloading 340.52 now, and i'm back to crunching

Some users have had trouble with 340.52 and the r2399 OpenCL NV AP v6 app in the v0.42 installer, it's working well for others. See the NC thread A word of warning about Nvidia driver 340.52 (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75309).
                                                       Joe
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jim_S on 21 Sep 2014, 02:14:33 am
I upgraded to the 344.11 drivers on my GTX 660 superclocked and have noticed better crunching times by a few seconds.
Everything seems fine but I did have to boost my fan to 60% to keep the temps that I like.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Pizzadude on 21 Sep 2014, 04:08:30 pm
Are you saying that the driver upgrade has effected your temps ?



I upgraded to the 344.11 drivers on my GTX 660 superclocked and have noticed better crunching times by a few seconds.
Everything seems fine but I did have to boost my fan to 60% to keep the temps that I like.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Jim_S on 21 Sep 2014, 05:35:16 pm
Are you saying that the driver upgrade has effected your temps ?



I upgraded to the 344.11 drivers on my GTX 660 superclocked and have noticed better crunching times by a few seconds.
Everything seems fine but I did have to boost my fan to 60% to keep the temps that I like.
Ya, But it's not the first time that has happened.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 02 Oct 2014, 05:44:37 am
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/OpenCL2-Driver.aspx

Only Windows supported for now is Win8.1 x64. And only latest GPUs. Looks not too promizing for SETI project where much diversity occurs. OpenCL 2.0 has some nice features worth to be used in SETI apps code though.

And from Intel:

https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/topic/531074

nVidia out of consideration  :-\

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/671157/geforce-drivers/open-cl-support-in-nvidia-drivers/
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 05 Oct 2014, 05:43:50 pm
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/OpenCL2-Driver.aspx

Only Windows supported for now is Win8.1 x64. And only latest GPUs. Looks not too promizing for SETI project where much diversity occurs. OpenCL 2.0 has some nice features worth to be used in SETI apps code though.

And from Intel:

https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/topic/531074

nVidia out of consideration  :-\

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/671157/geforce-drivers/open-cl-support-in-nvidia-drivers/
Also consider that first Intel hardware to support OpenCL 2.0 features will be based on Broadwell cores/GPUs (so intel HD5300 and up)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 09 Nov 2014, 06:01:45 am
And already a new Nvidia driver is out, this time bumping version to 344.60 and WHQL certified.

Good thing because I had drivers restarts with 344.48 on a GTX660 when playing youtube videos, OpenCL/Cuda processing was running fine though.

Will test and let you know.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 17 Nov 2014, 04:23:41 pm
Back to 340.42 for me on an Nvidia GTX 660. Was getting major screen corruption and crashes when running GPUGRID tasks (SETI being out of tasks currently) with 344.60.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 24 Nov 2014, 05:42:18 am
Anyone still crunching on an ATI 6670 card ? What drivers are you running?

I'm having issues with recent Catalyst and Seti@home beta that insists on sending me tasks labeled with _cat132 (like opencl_ati5_cat132).
These tasks usually crash video card driver in a matter of minutes and causes the BOINC job to just sit there and wait forever.
Some of them do complete successfully but it's far too unpredictable.

Lunactic's very own optimized apps run just fine on this card. For now I have disable AMD task in my SETI@home beta preferences.

Host ID: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/results.php?hostid=71860
(and yes this is host mixing intel iGPU, Nvidia and AMD ;) )

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 24 Nov 2014, 08:48:08 am
Anyone still crunching on an ATI 6670 card ? What drivers are you running?

I'm having issues with recent Catalyst and Seti@home beta that insists on sending me tasks labeled with _cat132 (like opencl_ati5_cat132).
These tasks usually crash video card driver in a matter of minutes and causes the BOINC job to just sit there and wait forever.
Some of them do complete successfully but it's far too unpredictable.

Lunactic's very own optimized apps run just fine on this card. For now I have disable AMD task in my SETI@home beta preferences.

Host ID: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/results.php?hostid=71860
(and yes this is host mixing intel iGPU, Nvidia and AMD ;) )



Try Cat 13.12.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Claggy on 24 Nov 2014, 03:13:58 pm
Anyone still crunching on an ATI 6670 card ? What drivers are you running?

I'm having issues with recent Catalyst and Seti@home beta that insists on sending me tasks labeled with _cat132 (like opencl_ati5_cat132).
These tasks usually crash video card driver in a matter of minutes and causes the BOINC job to just sit there and wait forever.
Some of them do complete successfully but it's far too unpredictable.

Lunactic's very own optimized apps run just fine on this card. For now I have disable AMD task in my SETI@home beta preferences.

Host ID: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/results.php?hostid=71860
(and yes this is host mixing intel iGPU, Nvidia and AMD ;) )


Try deleting the compilations for the opencl_ati_cat132 app, and let the app generate new ones.

Have you tried restarting the host? It was working with that app version two weeks ago.

Have you freed any CPU cores?

Claggy
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 25 Nov 2014, 11:57:10 am
Try Cat 13.12.
I had them installed and situation was the same.
This when I deceide to go forward instead of backwards and give 14.x driver series chance.

Try deleting the compilations for the opencl_ati_cat132 app, and let the app generate new ones.
You mean all the .bin files have a name like MB_clFFTplan_Turks_512_r1831.bin ?
That's something I haven't tried.

Quote from: Claggy
Have you tried restarting the host? It was working with that app version two weeks ago.
Yes host is set to auto-start and shutdown everyday giving it about 10 hours of computation time per day.

Quote from: Claggy
Have you freed any CPU cores?
Yes, host is a dual core with BOINC set to use only 50% of avail CPU cores.

Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: benool on 01 Dec 2014, 04:45:10 am
So I went ahead, deleted all .bin related to AMD and reactivated AMD tasks in SETI@home BETA.
New tasks arrived and they crash the card just like before.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Raistmer on 12 Jan 2015, 05:38:55 pm
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Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 03 Jun 2015, 07:56:20 pm
Catalyst 15.5 was released for Linux:
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-5LINReleaseNotes.aspx
Windows still not available.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 04 Jun 2015, 05:10:03 am
Catalyst 15.5 was released for Linux:
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-5LINReleaseNotes.aspx
Windows still not available.

Cat 15.5 beta for win was released may 30 but its a performance driver.
Not sure it has updated OpenCL runtime.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/latest-catalyst-windows-beta.aspx
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 04 Jun 2015, 04:22:16 pm
Catalyst 15.5 was released for Linux:
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-5LINReleaseNotes.aspx
Windows still not available.
Sadly Cat 15.5 took over all the problems that were reported two month ago with 15.3 beta (on openSuSE 13.2, which is not supported by this driver(?)).
AMD has repaired RH7EL part of Cat 15.5 driver !
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 09 Jul 2015, 04:21:55 pm
Catalyst 15.7 for all platforms (Windows and Linux) was released yesterday.

Release notes Windows (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-7WINReleaseNotes.aspx)

Release notes Linux (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-7LINReleaseNotes.aspx)
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Mike on 10 Jul 2015, 10:18:55 am
Catalyst 15.7 for all platforms (Windows and Linux) was released yesterday.

Release notes Windows (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-7WINReleaseNotes.aspx)

Release notes Linux (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-7LINReleaseNotes.aspx)

Installed it on my Win 7 install and like it much better.

Its faster with less CPU consumption.
Not much but noticable.

APP version is now 1800.5.
Title: Re: Latest drivers (NVidia and ATI)
Post by: Urs Echternacht on 22 Sep 2015, 05:56:26 pm
Catalyst 15.9 for Linux only was released.

Release Notes Linux (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst15-9LINReleaseNotes.aspx)