Seti@Home optimized science apps and information
Optimized Seti@Home apps => Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Pappa on 13 May 2009, 07:56:14 pm
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Okay
I have posted a new thread in the Seti NC Forum about FAQ's It has geneiric links to various sites for information Including here.
The next Step is going to be to create a thread for Optimized Applications and Other Binaries - Read Only. I know that Gecko_R7 normally asks to have it unlocked and Posts. If you could do a rollup of the last two into one (including the RSS feed) I will let you know when the thread is ready. Whenever an Update is added we want to remove (hide) the old one then only the current information is displayed.
Al
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Okay
I have posted a new thread in the Seti NC Forum about FAQ's It has geneiric links to various sites for information Including here.
The next Step is going to be to create a thread for Optimized Applications and Other Binaries - Read Only. I know that Gecko_R7 normally asks to have it unlocked and Posts. If you could do a rollup of the last two into one (including the RSS feed) I will let you know when the thread is ready. Whenever an Update is added we want to remove (hide) the old one then only the current information is displayed.
Al
Will do Al.
Give me a day or so to re-work this into a single post.
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The hard part is getting everyone together... ::)
If arkayn sees this it would help
So while, I am one of the moderators that has been around for years. I believe that Eric knows what I try to do usually works in the best interest of Seti. Unless I do something really bad, I do not expect that privledge (headaches) to be withdrawn for a while.
my public email al.setiboinc@gmail.com
Al
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The hard part is getting everyone together... ::)
If arkayn sees this it would help
So while, I am one of the moderators that has been around for years. I believe that Eric knows what I try to do usually works in the best interest of Seti. Unless I do something really bad, I do not expect that privledge (headaches) to be withdrawn for a while.
my public email al.setiboinc@gmail.com
Al
OTOH, I'd prefer to keep the RSS feed post as separate sticky if possible.
The point of the post is to notify NC visitors of the feature.
It was "requested" by multiple members since many are not "frequent" visitors to the forums and would like to be informed when a new release is available. If combined into the release thread, it will defeat the purpose of the notification post.
However, thread organization at NC is your domain, not mine...so I'm only making a "request" as the OP.
I'm all for simplicity, less clutter & less work ;).
The Lunatics release posts @ NC are basically duplicates of what is HERE and posted on the front page.
Today, a person can subscribe to the release threads at NC, release threads @ Lunatics and the RSS feed.
Going forward, rather than post the complete release thread at NC, I can post the release "Header" w/ a link to the main post HERE.
This would certainly be cleaner & with less maintenance required @ NC, and much easier for me.
Remember that a person DOES NOT have to be a member @ Lunatics to access the board, release announcements or to DL applications.
Does this sound reasonable to you?
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Just consider this. Does NC Forum's choice of presentatiom effect our optimisation efforts in any way? (I think not).
I suggest whatever changes are made, would be better made in consultation with the users of that forum, rather than here. (Using the target audience' opinions for the basis of design)
Quite frankly, I personally find the current form of NC over there acceptable, and IMO any more consideration of that at this end would be nothing more that a brain drain we don't need at this time.
If pressed for a suggestion, I would say that in any regular forum, stuff about T-Shirts, Picnics & Donations would belong in some other 'general discussion' category, being, in fact, not related to Number Crunchng at all, but then I do appreciate the Boinc Forum software is relatively limited, and not able to provide well laid out separate forums for general and specific discussion such as we have with our 'full-featured' forum software.
[Edit: I just realised this thread was originally started in the "Windows development" area. This was an inappropriate place. I have moved this to the General area for continued discussion. ]
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Thanks Jason
The Anniversary things will soon be history. Donations are an ongoing concern... The Cuda thing by Blurf etc.. So the goal is to boil things down a bit. Then there is room for things to come an Go. but there are still "we need to reduce the number of stickies" posts in the mod forum.
So My goal is to have Whatever is needed for Lunatics, Dotsch, Arkayn and the RSS and whomever else "might" have something valid - Visible in the Optimized Applications thread. So they only have a few entries to look at. Does it have change often? Not really.
We all know users will ask questions and that gets handled, then a reply might only point to one thread for the user that should have read to go look...
Currently AP optimized and non optimized occupy two threads which are mixed. So it needs work and it appears that I am the only one willing to tackle it.
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I have placed "place holders" in the two Forum threads, as you have things ready you should be able to post and then red-x the place holders. I will then remove them. I wish that ceertain users could be given extended Edit Rights, then your job would be easier.
The hard part is getting everyone together... ::)
If arkayn sees this it would help
So while, I am one of the moderators that has been around for years. I believe that Eric knows what I try to do usually works in the best interest of Seti. Unless I do something really bad, I do not expect that privledge (headaches) to be withdrawn for a while.
my public email al.setiboinc@gmail.com
Al
OTOH, I'd prefer to keep the RSS feed post as separate sticky if possible.
The point of the post is to notify NC visitors of the feature.
It was "requested" by multiple members since many are not "frequent" visitors to the forums and would like to be informed when a new release is available. If combined into the release thread, it will defeat the purpose of the notification post.
However, thread organization at NC is your domain, not mine...so I'm only making a "request" as the OP.
I'm all for simplicity, less clutter & less work ;).
The Lunatics release posts @ NC are basically duplicates of what is HERE and posted on the front page.
Today, a person can subscribe to the release threads at NC, release threads @ Lunatics and the RSS feed.
Going forward, rather than post the complete release thread at NC, I can post the release "Header" w/ a link to the main post HERE.
This would certainly be cleaner & with less maintenance required @ NC, and much easier for me.
Remember that a person DOES NOT have to be a member @ Lunatics to access the board, release announcements or to DL applications.
Does this sound reasonable to you?
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Just a quick 2 cents worth, could you stick a link to MarkJ's post about the app_info in there somewhere? I get tired of having to chase it down whenever someone asks.
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@Pappa:
OK, I recognise the situation you describe exactly, but ask this: Are the 4 out of 13 (really 3 if you exclude the RSS single post thread) sticky posts related to optimised applications really the problem? (Well now your thread makes it 5 threads anyway :D). I say no. It's that three separate applications, and any number of associated platforms are bundled into the same forum.
Try Separating things where a logical disinction already exists naturally in first time visitors' minds ... e.g. Linux vs Windows vs Mac ... AstroPulse Vs Multibeam(inc AK) Vs Cuda. These are natural boundaries. "Optimised Vs Stock" are not natural boundaries to a new user, and "Issues Vs Errrors" are not.
Mac Users do not naturally bundle themselves into Windows Or Linux Issues. As A first time visitor to Number Crunching, would we expect some story about president Obama? no, and we don't see it, because the boundary is recognised naturally. For 'our matters', an obvious delineation isn't marked, so it isn't used, and it becomes a big mess of crap.
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If arkayn sees this it would help
my public email al.setiboinc@gmail.com
Al
Yes, I am over here as well. I have no problems with reorganization.
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I wish that ceertain users could be given extended Edit Rights, then your job would be easier.
That sounds like my old proposal for Technical Mods - editing, and other modes (lock/move/sticky) for Technical only, plus a tightly-controlled 'alert' thread for the staff.
I was tried as a general mod once, and I failed - I couldn't cope with the chatter from the Cafe, and the chatter from the mods about the chatter from the cafe, when my interest was technical. But the BOINC forum software, just as it is limited in respect to categories and sub-categories, is also limited in the number and variety of roles it can assign - no access right equivalent of the 'Squire' role for beta testers, for example, just a flag.
There's talk of switching to Drupal modules for the BOINC fora next year - maybe we should inject some thought about volunteer roles and responsibilities into that discussion.
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I was tried as a general mod once,...
Isn't that a hanging crime in Texas still?
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I was tried as a general mod once,...
Isn't that a hanging crime in Texas still?
No, that was the Witchfinder general.
(though come to think of it, there are similarities.....)
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Thank you Pappa. ;D I thought you could just stick a link to it in there somewhere but that's nicer.
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If you are working from the BOINC Dev side and I work on Eric, some things might be able to happen. Eric told me that there are some revisions to the Forum software happening (after the Anniversary is done).
A goal would be to have a group tht would have some small management capabilites for some threads. Then Gecko could cut-n-paste changes. Or hide his old post.
I wish that ceertain users could be given extended Edit Rights, then your job would be easier.
That sounds like my old proposal for Technical Mods - editing, and other modes (lock/move/sticky) for Technical only, plus a tightly-controlled 'alert' thread for the staff.
I was tried as a general mod once, and I failed - I couldn't cope with the chatter from the Cafe, and the chatter from the mods about the chatter from the cafe, when my interest was technical. But the BOINC forum software, just as it is limited in respect to categories and sub-categories, is also limited in the number and variety of roles it can assign - no access right equivalent of the 'Squire' role for beta testers, for example, just a flag.
There's talk of switching to Drupal modules for the BOINC fora next year - maybe we should inject some thought about volunteer roles and responsibilities into that discussion.
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A goal would be to have a group tht would have some small management capabilites for some threads. Then Gecko could cut-n-paste changes. Or hide his old post.
This would be most helpful. ;)
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shortly I am going to cut-n-paste the other App into the placeholder I posted.
This is tought to grab and decypher that is in the downloads section...
You are welcome to grab (use the quote feature in NC) to grab what I have completed for rework on teh NC side.
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I have to ask, how much news actually goes out over the RSS Feed?
If I Look at the traffic here there is a lot of information I can see. How a common user who is interested in the Unified Instaler but afraid to ask know that it could solve a lot of their problems.
As I grabbed HTML source to look to see what I could use to enhance the "placeholder" I have a ton of stuff that is un-managble at the basic HTML level. It looks "pretty" but if the forum software "hickups" it is screwed.
So that said the information in the main page of the forum is overly long and the most recent top postings only tell about AstroPulse. The user came here to find something for MultiBeam... How far do they have to scroll to find what they need?
So when you say it will take a bit I understand.
R/
Al
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As I've posted in the Installer experiment thread:
Note: Win32 FINAL BETA Installer somehow unintentionally 'escaped' to public download area ::), and received ~98 downloads. Well fair enough, seems to work, and is still marked FINAL BETA, so I have shifted the other two to same place. Note that I expect FINAL RELEASE Installers to have refreshed AKv8b builds, and add appropriate AMD SSE3 32 bit build in 64 bit installer, So they are not the final release editions. [Which are to be made this weekend, marked 0.2]
Given the apparent high demand, it seemed the right thing to do, despite known warts.
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.....the main page of the forum is overly long and the most recent top postings only tell about AstroPulse. The user came here to find something for MultiBeam... How far do they have to scroll to find what they need?
After looking closer, It became clear that exact duplicate posting at NC is not necessary.
The key info is "easy identification" of the notice & which specific release is applicable to the user.
They just click on the appropriate link & it takes them to the full release post here.
It's also easier to manage on my end, since If I need to make a change to the release info or DL "here", I don't have to go & edit the same @ NC post. This happened a few times and was quite inconvenient. So the NC post is more "future safe".
I have to ask, how much news actually goes out over the RSS Feed?
Re: RSS feed. When I first got it up & running, I just wanted to get it to work properly, so I linked it to a specific release section & provided enough space that the whole release could be reflected in the RSS.
Afterall, some people want all content via RSS, some only want abreviated info w/ "link to more".
However, users can set options w/ their RSS readers as to how to deal w/ most recent, read & older news items.
When Jason first released a Beta Installer, I included a RSS notice & decided to use RSS more as an announcement, w/ a link to the full release post. This worked real well & a person could easily read the shortened post via handheld etc.
I'm inclined to use RSS in future mostly as "notice" tool w/ release description & link.
Re: RSS user base. It's a new feature & how many people use/see it will be related to how many forum visitors at NC can easily see it's available.
As several members have commented, many members don't visit forums regularly or hardly ever.
Since there are several hundred thousand "actively" crunching hosts at Seti, vs. 2200 members "here", I suspect the number of potential RSS users to be significant as more "infrequent visitors" at Main see the option is available. That's the real benefit of the sticky post.
They won't know this feature is available if buried in the Opt Relase thread as 1) They won't know about it to even look there "for it".
IMO, the space it takes as a sticky is worth the convenience and communication benefit since the member base is SOO LARGE, but varies greatly on how often people visit. Of course, Seti also get's "new members" daily as well ;).
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This actually fits in with the discussion. My bad was I found it in the downloads and displayed it in the Temp Placeholder. Peopla saw something New besides Astropulse which they don't want to run anways.
One may be the guy that stopped in here offering Money to have a package for a couple of machines
As I've posted in the Installer experiment thread:
Note: Win32 FINAL BETA Installer somehow unintentionally 'escaped' to public download area ::), and received ~98 downloads. Well fair enough, seems to work, and is still marked FINAL BETA, so I have shifted the other two to same place. Note that I expect FINAL RELEASE Installers to have refreshed AKv8b builds, and add appropriate AMD SSE3 32 bit build in 64 bit installer, So they are not the final release editions. [Which are to be made this weekend, marked 0.2]
Given the apparent high demand, it seemed the right thing to do, despite known warts.
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Okay in the Old Thread placed a notice for those that have probably Subscribed noting the new Location and the RSS Feed. In the bottom is the view count at the time I did it. For that that have subscribed to the Thread they should visit and then check the New Thread and or the RSS Feed..
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I have my links in place now.
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Thank You
R/
Al
I have my links in place now.
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Thank you guys for your hard work on getting information readily accessible, but somewhat concentrated in fewer places.
I watch the SETI boards on an occasional basis, since I run SETI@HOME alongside lots of other projects...
Mark
(Trying to up his post count to get to squire level...)