Seti@Home optimized science apps and information
Optimized Seti@Home apps => Windows => GPU crunching => Topic started by: Raistmer on 06 Nov 2009, 02:39:41 pm
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This build uses ATI GPU as coprocessor to perform some part of AstroPulse algorithm on GPU instead of CPU. This will free CPU for other tasks.
For better use of hardware resources I recommend to use this app as addition to opt CPU SETI MB app (AKv8b) and to take participation into some other project that can make use of ATI GPUs like MilkyWay.
Currently it’s possible to run up to 2 app instances per GPU.
That is, for quad with 2 ATI GPUs installed it’s possible to run 4 SETI CPU MB + 4 SETI hybrid AP tasks at once.
Catalyst 9.x or higher drivers required.
List of supported GPUs one can see here:
http://developer.amd.com/gpu/ATIStreamSDK/pages/ATIStreamSystemRequirements.aspx#cards
Please, take note that NO_DOUBLE modification should be used for GPUs w/o double precision support.
Approximate app_info.xml section that could be used to run this app on SETI project:
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>0.1</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<plan_class>ati13ati</plan_class>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.5</count>
</coproc>
<flops>6000000000</flops>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
Please, edit <max/avg_ncpus> and <count> tags values as appropriate for your config.
For hosts participating in other ATI-based projects <count>0.5</count> can be changed to <count>0.1</count>
I would like to thank Jason G and Josef W. Segur for continual app features and algorithm discussions and useful hints, alpha testers: Arnulf, arkayn, heinz and Urs Echternacht for early spot of some app issues and useful comments about app behaviour, Gipsel for sharing some MW design approaches about sharing GPU between apps and all beta testers who tried app usability on their hosts.
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07.11.2009 8:27:09 SETI@home [error] State file error: missing application file ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe
А... моя ошибка, забыл исправить одну строчку в app_info на ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe :)
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07.11.2009 8:27:09 SETI@home [error] State file error: missing application file ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe
Have you also copied brook.dll and brook_cal.dll to the appropriate directory??
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my mistake, forgot to fix one line in app_info on ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe :)
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07.11.2009 8:27:09 SETI@home [error] State file error: missing application file ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe
А... моя ошибка, забыл исправить одну строчку в app_info на ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe :)
бывает :)
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Thanks Raistmer.
I'm going to use a 4870x2 only for SETI.
What are the correct settings for a 4 CPU SETI MB + 4 SETI GPU AP for <avg_ncpus>, <max_ncpus> and <count> ?
0.2, 2 and 0.02 ?
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On my 2600 XT, this is what I'm getting:
07/11/2009 08:41:26 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
07/11/2009 08:41:26 SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a version of SETI@home Enhanced.
my app_info is:
<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.01</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
any suggestions? (GPU & CPU preferences yes on seti)
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Thanks Raistmer.
I'm going to use a 4870x2 only for SETI.
What are the correct settings for a 4 CPU SETI MB + 4 SETI GPU AP for <avg_ncpus>, <max_ncpus> and <count> ?
0.2, 2 and 0.02 ?
The biggest problem with these settings - I even don't know what can be considered as "correct" ones.
IMO BOINC can't handle applications of such hybrid type correctly at all, but will see what peoples will invent ultimately.
But in particular, <max_ncpus> definitely should not exceed 1.
Better leave them as I wrote above.
These numbers just tell BOINC how many app instances it can run and can it run another apps with this one or not. Best configuretion is overcommitted CPU (that is, CPU should run same amount tasks as it did before this AP app installation + this AstroPulse app) and count number for coproc should give 1 in total (with other GPU-oriented project).
That is, if you run Milkyway + SETI - set MW's count to 0.48 or 0.49 and leave count for AP on 0.01.
The number of GPUs installed should not afect on those numbers.
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On my 2600 XT, this is what I'm getting:
07/11/2009 08:41:26 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
07/11/2009 08:41:26 SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a version of SETI@home Enhanced.
my app_info is:
<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.01</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
any suggestions? (GPU & CPU preferences yes on seti)
Set your Setiathome Preferences like this:
Run only the selected applications SETI@home Enhanced: no
Astropulse: yes
Astropulse v5: yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? yes
Boinc will ask for Astropulse and Astropulse_v5 work, and since there is none available of those,
you'll be sent work from the other (unselected) applications, ie seti@home_enhanced and Astropulse_v505,
subject to what app's are listed in your app_info, and if there's any work to send to them.
Claggy
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and what about x64 version?? I use not to run any x32 if I can.
Same messages:
58 SETI@home 07-11-2009 13:12:35 Message from server: No work sent
59 SETI@home 07-11-2009 13:12:35 Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
Run only the selected applications:
SETI@home Enhanced - yes
Astropulse - yes
Astropulse v5 - yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? - yes
Use Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) if available - yes
Use Central Processing Unit (CPU) - yes
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On my 2600 XT, this is what I'm getting:
07/11/2009 08:41:26 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
07/11/2009 08:41:26 SETI@home Requesting new tasks for CPU
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
07/11/2009 08:41:31 SETI@home Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a version of SETI@home Enhanced.
my app_info is:
<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.01</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
any suggestions? (GPU & CPU preferences yes on seti)
Set your Setiathome Preferences like this:
Run only the selected applications SETI@home Enhanced: no
Astropulse: yes
Astropulse v5: yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? yes
Boinc will ask for Astropulse and Astropulse_v5 work, and since there is none available of those,
you'll be sent work from the other (unselected) applications, ie seti@home_enhanced and Astropulse_v505,
subject to what app's are listed in your app_info, and if there's any work to send to them.
Claggy
Pay attention to highlighted line (in green).
If your app_info has no SETI MB application listed, BOINC will not be able to download any MB work !
And there is no AP work currently available at all on SETI main, only MB. So you need to add AKv8b enty to your app_info.
The best way to construct correct app_info file is to use Lunatics installer for initial optimization and then add corresponding section for hybrid AstroPulse to app_info, leaving all other entries intact.
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and what about x64 version?? I use not to run any x32 if I can.
Well, I could try to build but because my ATI-enabled host still uses x86 OS (not because it's better, just because of my laziness ;D ) it would be hard to test it for me.
Let's wait when I install Win7 x64 on my quad first ;)
Same messages:
58 SETI@home 07-11-2009 13:12:35 Message from server: No work sent
59 SETI@home 07-11-2009 13:12:35 Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
Run only the selected applications:
SETI@home Enhanced - yes
Astropulse - yes
Astropulse v5 - yes
If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? - yes
Use Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) if available - yes
Use Central Processing Unit (CPU) - yes
If there is no work - there is no work.
Even "this wonderful app" ;) can't make workunits from the air. If server will not supply work - there will be no work to process...
Look this page for further info:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
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Pay attention to highlighted line (in green).
If your app_info has no SETI MB application listed, BOINC will not be able to download any MB work !
And there is no AP work currently available at all on SETI main, only MB. So you need to add AKv8b enty to your app_info.
The best way to construct correct app_info file is to use Lunatics installer for initial optimization and then add corresponding section for hybrid AstroPulse to app_info, leaving all other entries intact.
I want to test only the beta app for AstroPulse using the ATI GPU, and not also the SETI enhanced or AKv8b (which is for MB if I'm not mistaken)
From what I'm figuring out, there are no WUs available right now for AP.
Can anybody post a script for my app_info pls. I want to crunch only for the SETI AP and in the same time for collatz.
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For better use of hardware resources I recommend to use this app as addition to opt CPU SETI MB app (AKv8b) and to take participation into some other project that can make use of ATI GPUs like MilkyWay.
Hi,
coul'd anyone plese give an example, how the .xml file would look like to run both apps?
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It's for SSSE3-enabled host, x86 OS.
<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>506</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.01</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>AK_v8b_win_SSSE3x.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>603</version_num>
<platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
<flops>4127010920</flops>
<avg_ncpus>1.00</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1.00</max_ncpus>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8b_win_SSSE3x.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
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I want to test only the beta app for AstroPulse using the ATI GPU, and not also the SETI enhanced or AKv8b (which is for MB if I'm not mistaken)
There is no more beta ;)
<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>506</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.01</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
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If there is no work - there is no work.
Even "this wonderful app" ;) can't make workunits from the air. If server will not supply work - there will be no work to process...
Look this page for further info:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
Data Distribution State SETI@home # Astropulse # As of*
Results ready to send 130,180 0 9m
This is what I have to look for?
<version_num>506</version_num>
505 or 506?
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If there is no work - there is no work.
Even "this wonderful app" ;) can't make workunits from the air. If server will not supply work - there will be no work to process...
Look this page for further info:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html
Data Distribution State SETI@home # Astropulse # As of*
Results ready to send 130,180 0 9m
This is what I have to look for?
Exactly. 0 AP tasks available and AP splitters turned off or disabled.
<version_num>506</version_num>
505 or 506?
No matter actually.
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Thanks a lot,
currently i can not test it, since seti seems to deliver only cuda wu's.
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Шо-ж такое... испытать-то не на чем... Астропульсы не поступают :)
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Manage to get my first WU in 11 hours. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1416425675
But had lots of ati display crashes, around 5-7.
Any updates on the beta? :)
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Manage to get my first WU in 11 hours. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1416425675
But had lots of ati display crashes, around 5-7.
Any updates on the beta? :)
What GPU, what other tasks on GPU?
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Currently just my 4650 mobility, and only the first WU. On the 2600XT I've stopped it cause it was giving probably too many display crashes, and needed a lot of ...watching over.
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And what driver?
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Thanks for the ultimate effort but i think this new application simply needs some polishing, i had 2 driver crashes in 1 hour..
Q6600
hd 5850
catalyst 9.10
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Thanks for the ultimate effort but i think this new application simply needs some polishing, i had 2 driver crashes in 1 hour..
Q6600
hd 5850
catalyst 9.10
What conditions were at time of driver restart ?
Watched HD video, played 3D game, runned Colatz or MW tasks ?
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Almost 50% in the WU, I had 2 'soft boinc restarts, and 2 'hard' laptop restarts due to the crashes.
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Thanks for the ultimate effort but i think this new application simply needs some polishing, i had 2 driver crashes in 1 hour..
Q6600
hd 5850
catalyst 9.10
What conditions were at time of driver restart ?
Watched HD video, played 3D game, runned Colatz or MW tasks ?
No 3d game or MW, only seti, i was surfing..youtube, facebook etc.. watched some videos @ youtube, then driver crash happened.
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Almost 50% in the WU, I had 2 'soft boinc restarts, and 2 'hard' laptop restarts due to the crashes.
UPDATE
Finished the second WU http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1418350816
The 2 'hard' restarts were due to the screen flickering real scary, even after closing boinc.
Still using Cat. 9.7 from the updates :).
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Thanks for the ultimate effort but i think this new application simply needs some polishing, i had 2 driver crashes in 1 hour..
Q6600
hd 5850
catalyst 9.10
What conditions were at time of driver restart ?
Watched HD video, played 3D game, runned Colatz or MW tasks ?
No 3d game or MW, only seti, i was surfing..youtube, facebook etc.. watched some videos @ youtube, then driver crash happened.
I see. That is, such GPU activity is too high for your host. Will try to build version with smaller kernels (driver restart (it's not crash in common meaning)) happens because driver doesn't respond to OS for longer than 2 seconds.
For now try to set <count> tag to 1. Then only 1 AP task will be launched.
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I updated my drivers (using a ATI OpenCL beta v0.2) and have successfully managed to pickup and process a Hybrid Astropulse. unfortunately Beta is down at the moment so I can't report it. It seemed to run through fine, but had nothing else running on the GPU at the time.
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So after much struggling with the Catalyst drivers I finally managed to get some crunching done on my Radeon 4550 but it seems to be relying on CPU quite a bit as you can see in the screen shot.
Is that because I use the NO DOUBLE version and so all these operations are performed on the CPU instead?
Any chance of support for full GPU processing like on a GeForce 8600 GTS (a much older card I have in another PC) ?
Anyway I'll have to revert to Catalyst 9.8 because these 9.11beta as well as 9.9/9.10 break DXVA decoding for HD video streams :(
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So after much struggling with the Catalyst drivers I finally managed to get some crunching done on my Radeon 4550 but it seems to be relying on CPU quite a bit as you can see in the screen shot.
Is that because I use the NO DOUBLE version and so all these operations are performed on the CPU instead?
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That's the nature of the hybrid, it does the FFA processing on the GPU (search for repetitive pulses), but single pulses, FFTs, etc. so far have to be done on the CPU. AMD/ATI will eventually provide FFT, I'm sure, though they do not seem as interested in scientific code as nVidia. But if they want to produce video cards usable in new Apple systems they must have adequate OpenCL support, and that should provide motivation for improvement.
Joe
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I am testing now.... Wu's incoming
My Hard: AMD Dualcore, Ati HD2600 (now CAT 9.2 changed from 9.10), XP 32 Bit
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.10</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>0.40</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>1.0</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
My GPU work very seldom almost all 3 minutes for 1 minute, then pause. Have anyone an idee to get better performance ?
Have happy crunching
greetz
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try to sen <count> to 0.5 instead of 1
It will allow 2 AP tasks instead of one. This should increase GPU usage.
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that is right, also all Multibeamsclients pause and both Astropulse are running with je 50% Cpu Power
for my wish, i want to run 2 Multibeams + 1 Astropule (Like Cuda) ;)
it works with my writing before, WU time goes longer (2. core double the time), to credits and avd.credit still too early
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that is right, also all Multibeamsclients pause and both Astropulse are running with je 50% Cpu Power
for my wish, i want to run 2 Multibeams + 1 Astropule (Like Cuda) ;)
it works with my writing before, WU time goes longer (2. core double the time), to credits and avd.credit still too early
Set avg_ncpus to low value to allow Multibeam be running together with AP
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thank you for the tip. lower under 0.10 i would not have dared, however, an attempt is worth, it will test during the next days
greetz :) :) :) :) :) :)
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thank you for the tip. lower under 0.10 i would not have dared, however, an attempt is worth, it will test during the next days
greetz :) :) :) :) :) :)
You can set it to 0 as long as <count> will not go lower than 0.5.
Anyway, only 2 AP from launched by BOINC will consume memory and do progress at time.
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Is there a readme file that explains all of the parameters? ie. <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>, <count>0.01</count>
etc..
Jeff
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Is there a readme file that explains all of the parameters? ie. <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>, <count>0.01</count>
etc..
Jeff
somewhere in BOINC's WiKi maybe...
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somewhere in BOINC's WiKi maybe...
Here (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Anonymous_platform), though it isn't very detailed.
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Installed as specified a few days ago, but can't get any AP WU?
Yes, I have checked to receive all three types of units (seti, ap, apv5), and seti units are getting in, bot not the AP;
In messages, I get:
19.11.2009 9:57:29 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
19.11.2009 9:57:29 SETI@home Reporting 2 completed tasks, requesting new tasks for GPU
19.11.2009 9:57:39 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
19.11.2009 9:57:39 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
19.11.2009 9:57:39 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
Any ideas? I am using Boinc 6.10.17 and ATI Catalyst 9.10.
My app_info.xml:
<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>0.5</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.5</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>AK_v8_win_SSE41.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>528</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_SSE41.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>603</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_SSE41.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
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It's really no work from astropulse available at the moment, please look at the server site of seti and you see the astropulse splitters are off... as long as they are off no work. :'(
We are all waiting....
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19.11.2009 9:57:39 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent
19.11.2009 9:57:39 SETI@home Message from server: No work is available for Astropulse v5
Any ideas? I am using Boinc 6.10.17 and ATI Catalyst 9.10.
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The project sometimes splits work for "Astropulse v505", and that's what the app_info.xml indicates your host is prepared to handle. But the "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications? yes" setting in the project preferences is needed for SETI main. The "Astropulse" and "Astropulse v5" settings are basically meaningless now, the first is totally gone and resends of tasks for the second are perhaps possible but highly unlikely.
Joe
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Hi,
I edited my app_info but boinc don't recognise astropulse ;/
Here is it:
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.5</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>517</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>527</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>528</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSSE3x.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
I have catalyst 9.10 and HD 4850.
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Hi,
I edited my app_info but boinc don't recognise astropulse ;/
Here is it:
<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_... snip
...
snap ...version>
</app_info>
I have catalyst 9.10 and HD 4850.
See change in quoting. Do you have that green line at the beginning of your app_info.xml file ?
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Hello people,
after many days testens, I will switch off the hybrid client probably again, because he brought no betters, but rather the opposite with the working PC.
PC: AMD Athlon X2, Win XP 32bit Sp3
Although I had placed avg_ncpus even also on 0, the astropulse client moved up to 50% of the processor, then both still running Multibeams divided only 25%. This entailed which was extended the Multibeam runtime up to 3-fold.
In the final effect the everyday points goes down from 1200-1500 to 600 points on the day.
On the one hand, I may not exclude which lies it with the used operating system. Vista und Co have there them if resource subdivision improves.
The hybrid client is already a determining step in the right direction and I thank Raistmer for his excellent work.
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Although I had placed avg_ncpus even also on 0, the astropulse client moved up to 50% of the processor, then both still running Multibeams divided only 25%. This entailed which was extended the Multibeam runtime up to 3-fold.
And so what? If you will run AP CPU only you will process MB infinitely slow cause you will process no MB at all simultaneously with AP. So 3 fold slowdown still much better than no progress at all.
Did you compare CPU and hybrid AP CPU times for your host?
In the final effect the everyday points goes down from 1200-1500 to 600 points on the day.
And how many AP results in "pending" state in your list?
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Astropulse on Pending credit are 2
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Astropulse on Pending credit are 2
Try to add AP pending credit to MB credit - will you see RAC drop then ?
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See change in quoting. Do you have that green line at the beginning of your app_info.xml file ?
Yes, but when i did that, boinc detached me from project...
Maybe with new version will it work on my gpu.
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thanks Raistmer!
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allright, i have dv6-1210sa hp pavilion, proc is amd ql-65 2 core, and graphic is ati hd4530, i tried no_double_brook ap and i dont feel its working :/, first ap that i got took mi like 100h on just cpu, now i use opp app and it was supoused to take about 80h on cpu, after changing app_info to brook its saying it will take me about 60+h, should it take so long? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1512345393 this is my current task in ap, after 20h of crunching i have 35% done. im not sure if its all working correctly, i had to expand manually atical dlls and im not sure if they work correctly. cal version is 1.4.519, driver is 8.572.1.0 atical files i took from 10.1 drivers, im runing vista home. any suggestions ?
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look at task's stderr, any errors? Look at Windows TaskManager - what process uses CPU most?
Look at GPU activity via Catalyst, do you see activity spikes ?
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Thats what i found in sterr file
In ap_gfx_main.cpp: in ap_graphics_init(): Starting client.
AstroPulse v. 5.05
Non-graphics FFTW USE_CONVERSION_OPT USE_SSE3
Windows x86 rev 168, Don't Panic!, by Raistmer with support of Lunatics.kwsn.net team. SSE3
ffa threshold mod, by Joe Segur.
static fftw lib, built by Jason G.
SSE3 dechirping by JDWhale
Build features: Non-graphics FFTW USE_SSE3 x86
CPUID: AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual-Core QL-65
Cache: L1=64K L2=512K
CPU features: FPU TSC PAE CMPXCHG8B APIC SYSENTER MTRR CMOV/CCMP MMX FXSAVE/FXRSTOR SSE SSE2 HT SSE3
1 CAL GPUs found
Used slot is 0; app assigned to run on 0 device
### Restart at 12.68 percent.
Priority of worker thread rised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully
1 CAL GPUs found
Used slot is 0; app assigned to run on 0 device
### Restart at 12.73 percent.
Priority of worker thread rised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully
1 CAL GPUs found
Used slot is 0; app assigned to run on 0 device
### Restart at 12.74 percent.
Priority of worker thread rised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully
1 CAL GPUs found
Used slot is 0; app assigned to run on 0 device
### Restart at 12.76 percent.
Priority of worker thread rised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully
1 CAL GPUs found
Used slot is 0; app assigned to run on 0 device
### Restart at 12.81 percent.
Priority of worker thread rised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully
1 CAL GPUs found
Used slot is 0; app assigned to run on 0 device
### Restart at 15.37 percent.
Priority of worker thread rised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully
1 CAL GPUs found
Used slot is 0; app assigned to run on 0 device
### Restart at 35.57 percent.
Priority of worker thread rised successfully
Priority of process adjusted successfully
proces that uses most of processor power is boinc coz i run it always when i dont do anything on comp, cant see gpu use since my catalyst dont have that option, but you know i think that gpu is doing something afterall coz i had time today to watch how task is being done and when i just restarted it cpu was working like crazy and now after some time i get loads of spikes from 0% to 20% and working on comp is hard coz comp gets laggy and i think its becouse gpu is working, anyway i think i need to buy desktop or much better laptop ;P , what im curious now is if i should set coproc value to 0.5 to run 2 ap units at once ?? and if i wana to finish ap tasks as fast as possible is it worth setting cpu higher than suggested in example app_info ?
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It's CPU-only version, it will not use GPU at all.
Try to get r280-based Hybrid AP build.
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well i thought files i get from homepage are hybrid cpu/gpu :P anyway i made mistake and all ap tasks ended with error and are gone, i think i will stick to cpu wu's and if i will get ap wu's i will do them hard way until i can afford desktop or better laptop with nvidia, thx for your time anyway
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There is no AP for nVidia GPU currently.
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Hi all , I have an ATI HD5770 , right now it's Crunching Collatz C. but want it crunching SETI AP WU's, too. ::)
What I've read from these forums, a correct app_info.xml FILE. Single-- or Double--Precission, right amount of (G)FLOPS, x86 or x64 (WIN XP x86) and avgncpu , >1 . Are the most important settings.
Hoping, there will be sufficient AP WU's, just have to give it a try . . . ::)
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avgncpu , >1 . Are the most important settings.
<1, not >1 .
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And if you change the <count>1</count> to 0.5, you can do 2 Hybrid Astropulse at once,
OR 0.4, and do an app_info for collatz and set it at 0.2 there, = 2 Hybrid Astropulse + 1 Collatz ;D
Claggy
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Hi all , I have an ATI HD5770 , right now it's Crunching Collatz C. but want it crunching SETI AP WU's, too. ::)
What I've read from these forums, a correct app_info.xml FILE. Single-- or Double--Precission, right amount of (G)FLOPS, x86 or x64 (WIN XP x86) and avgncpu , >1 . Are the most important settings.
Hoping, there will be sufficient AP WU's, just have to give it a try . . . ::)
I used this Astropulse Hybrid app on SETI beta and everything went really fine.
Does anyone know when/if seti beta will be resumed?
Also, does the new OpenCL/Brook+ app still require a full core or is it able to offload all calculations to gpu (fft?)?
thanks a lot for your dedication to this project, lunatics team!
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oh and sorry for double posting, but how could I try the new OpenCL/Brook+ app?
edit: found. Thanks anyway!
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the topic about the OpenCL/Brook+ hybrid app has disappeared from 2 days...
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Please be advised that 'here' participation level requirements are currently under review due to security violations, and things are being shuffled around a lot.
Jason
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does this mean i can't use the seti optimized apps for sse3 and 4.1? i was kinda hoping i could trick boinc into using the gpu with this. i dont' run astropulse. not enough points. :(. i have the following ati gpus:
2600xt, 2600xt, 4350, 2400pro, onboard 3100 of 3200 series, 4650, and soon a 5870.
any idea when there might be a gpu optimized app the same way there is for the cpu? that isnt' for astropulse?
i know most of those gpu's are not fast but every little bit helps :). i might just get one of those 6 pci-e 16x mobos and slap a amd x6 in it and put as many gpu's as i can spare (i run headless atm, with vnc, makes it easier and cheaper than buying a dvi kvm) and run the gpu astropulse optimized thing to see how many points i can get.
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1) surely you can use any CPU-optimized app that your CPU supports while using GPU-oriented app. For now the best is Akv8b opt apps, chose right SSE level for your CPU with them.
2) All your GPUs can be used for AstroPulse Hybrid app. They will work as co-processor to speedup FFA part of task computations.
3) 4350, 4650 and future 5870 GPUs can participate in Beta testing of new ATI AstroPulse application. Please, consider possibility to take participation in beta testing.
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1) surely you can use any CPU-optimized app that your CPU supports while using GPU-oriented app. For now the best is Akv8b opt apps, chose right SSE level for your CPU with them.
2) All your GPUs can be used for AstroPulse Hybrid app. They will work as co-processor to speedup FFA part of task computations.
3) 4350, 4650 and future 5870 GPUs can participate in Beta testing of new ATI AstroPulse application. Please, consider possibility to take participation in beta testing.
well, it will work the same as my akv8win64 sse4.1 optimized app? :). i dont' want astropulse to run on the cpu. is that possible? or some of the astropulse will run on the cpu?
can you tell me how i can get that up and running? i know i probably have to put a new app info xml in the boinc folder, but is there one for this Akv8b and the sse4.1 optimized? or is it all the same thing?
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It depends of what app info you will use.
You can include CPU SETI MB (AKv8b SSE4.1) app and hybrid AP app only, then you will use CPU for SETI MB tasks and, partially, for AP tasks too (due to hybrid AP app nature), but no pure-CPU AP app.
Moreover, you will have separate work fetch for AP (as GPU ATI app) and SETI MB (as CPU app).
Unfortunately, there will be no OpenCL support for GPUs lesser than 4xxx, so Hybrid AP is the best (for now and for foreseen future) you can use for lower ATI GPUs with SETI project.
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do i have to follow your instructions in the first post to do this?
ps are the 4350, 4650 double precision? :). the other gpu's i have can this hybrid app work on them all? if it will get me more points i am for it. i am getting about 20k a day now.
shame they had the 2400 and 2600 listed before. oh well
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I updated app_info to better work with new BOINC versions on SETI main. Now AP work will be correctly marking as GPU.
YEs, 2xxx and 3xxx should be able to do Hybrid AP too.
And no, 4350 and 4650 are not double precision ones, but last OpenCL version (rev420) doesn't require doeble precision support from GPU cards, so you could try that build on these GPUs.
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how can do i edit my current app file? to include your first post app info? i did once but i dont' remember. do i just paste to the bottom of my current app info file and restart boinc?
leave my current entries in there for sse4.1 optimized?
i'll have to go to the website and turn astropulse back on :D
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<app_info>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE41.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>528</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE41.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>603</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE41.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>4</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>4</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<plan_class>ati13ati</plan_class>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.5</count>
</coproc>
<flops>6000000000</flops>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
thats with yours and my seti 4.1 optimized. i remembered once how to add more info to the app but can you refresh me? i set the cpu count from 0.1 to 4 since tis a quad. is that correct?
i know i dont' have a space between the apps. and i know some of the tags at teh top and bottom are removed but i am not quite sure which.
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No, app_info tag should be only one per file.
<app_info>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE41.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>603</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE41.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app>
<name>astropulse_v505</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse_v505</app_name>
<version_num>505</version_num>
<avg_ncpus>0.1</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>0.1</max_ncpus>
<plan_class>ati13ati</plan_class>
<coproc>
<type>ATI</type>
<count>0.5</count>
</coproc>
<flops>6000000000</flops>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>
Smth like this
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i saw yours, does the astropulse app info need to come at the top? or does it not matter? i'll use yours as a guide. i think ic an figure it out from thre. i changed the 4 to a 1.00. forgot it was a % not # lol
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do i change the avg # of cpu's (gpu) from .1 to 1.00?
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i saw yours, does the astropulse app info need to come at the top? or does it not matter? i'll use yours as a guide. i think ic an figure it out from thre. i changed the 4 to a 1.00. forgot it was a % not # lol
Order don't matter.
Leave ncpus at 0.1 or AP task will block your CPU app from running - just what you want to avoid...
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ok do i enable just astropulse v5 in the boinc webpage settings?
i know leave seti@home enhanced checked :)
Run only the selected applications
SETI@home Enhanced
Astropulse
Astropulse v5
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ok do i enable just astropulse v5 in the boinc webpage settings?
i know leave seti@home enhanced checked :)
Run only the selected applications
SETI@home Enhanced
Astropulse
Astropulse v5
You can disable
Astropulse
Astropulse v5
fields but you must enable recive work from other apps. Cause current AP is astropulse_505, not 5.0.
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bummer the site is down. i'm gonna copy the app info to my other pc's. the sse4.1 is still running so thats promising
can't wait to see if its working when i download some astropulses :).
if i dont' have the gpu app on a pc it shouldnt' download an astropulse no?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=532062
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ah gotcha. i hope it doesn't download astropulses to the laptop. it has an nvidia gpu but i coldnt' find a driver for gpu. its nvs 110m or something. i dont' think it would work with this though no? ;).
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if i dont' have the gpu app on a pc it shouldnt' download an astropulse no?
It depends from app_info.
If it contains only AKv8 SETI MB app, no AP tasks will ever be downloaded, no matter what options (you can enable just all of them) you have on web page. app_info will be last instance of what can't be downloaded.
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did i put the Hybrid ATI GPU/CPU AstroPulse for Windows r280 NO_DOUBLE
in the right spot?
its telling me its not found and that it wants to download it, but its in the program data boinc projects seti at home berkely edu folder, along with the dll's
from this page
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?module=Downloads;sa=dlview;id=229
is it supposed to go in another folder?
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OH
ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE
hehe thats not what you put in my app info file i used ;). i'll have to put no double at the end. it just says brook _r280 oh well hehe. no wonder it wants to download the app thats not that and ignore the one that is :)
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ah, yes, sure.
But better use newly app from beta area: http://lunatics.kwsn.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=769.0;id=3621
[app name should be corrected of course]
Or even better, wait a little, I will repack it - it contains invalid DLL.
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ah ok.
your link:
An Error Has Occurred!
You are not allowed to access this section
hehe. awesome :). soon i can use the gpus! i'm excited :). they have sat unused for so long lol. i wonder how many more points this might get me :). i have to turn off the onboard graphics in the amd mobo cause i put the 4350 in there. mabye later on today :). hook a monitor up to it. i love ultra vnc! :)
how do i use the beta one? or is it just a beta 5.05 astropulse app? i dont' have to use a beta boinc?
can i still use the beta with the other gpus? 2400, 2600, 4350, 4650?
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Attached to first post of this thread.
For another app for 4xxx GPUs you need to install ATI SDK2.1, Catalyst 10.4.
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well i have 10.4 on all the ati machines (which is 4). can i put the sdk2.1 on the 5870 once i get it?
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so just copy the same thing into the folder and change the app info to the new file name, 2 entries? :)
man this vnc thing is a life saver!
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rev420 needs slightly more to install actually.
Let's see if you was able to do work with hybrid build on all machines then go with another build for 4xxx GPUs.
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ok cool will do :). sucks the servers are down after i get all this cool app info updated :(
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I just installed rev393. Where do I get rev420 from?
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I just installed rev393. Where do I get rev420 from?
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/18-astropulse-testing/ati-sse3-astropulse-app-openclbrook-beta-testing.msg27020.html;topicseen#msg27020
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what does this mean? validation inconclusive? no consensus reached?
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=1611355482
seems like alot more credit for time than i have been getting with the cpu by itself :)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5290455&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2
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Validation inconclusive just means your results and your wing man's didn't quite match. The work has been sent out to another cruncher to make sure which is right. Most of the time, if both results are as close as yours looks then all three of you will get credit.
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does anyone know how many points a day a 5870 should get in seti at home running this?
so far i think i've only done one astropulse. the 5870 should get here friday (hopefully) or saturday :).
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since its a hybrid you are going to still run a substantial amount of the WU on the CPU. the GPU portion has been fine tune in the latest beta version. IIRC.
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sorry for what might be a stupid question but where are we to download this latest beta version?
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I don't have access to the r420 version either
above the second post
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/18-astropulse-testing/ati-sse3-astropulse-app-openclbrook-beta-testing.0.html
@raistmer a small sugestion...merge the 3 topics
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/12-gpu-crunching/cpu-ati-gpu-hybrid-astropulse-for-windows-released.msg27121.html;topicseen#msg27121
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/18-astropulse-testing/astropulse-hybrid-cpu-ati-gpu-build-for-windows.msg26966.html;topicseen#msg26966
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/windows/is-anybody-developing-seti-opp-app-for-cal-ati-gpu.msg27114.html;topicseen#msg27114
maybe also with
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/18-astropulse-testing/ati-sse3-astropulse-app-openclbrook-beta-testing.msg27119.html;topicseen#msg27119
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Thanks for the reply.
Trying to access this link I get:
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
:(
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There have been changes to amount of posts required for each rank, it requires a ranking of Squire to see the beta area.
This was done due to the notice on the front page here.
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ok any hint what is required to get to squire?
No Idea, and even if you get to Squire, don't know if you still get access to the Beta Area automatically,
The question you should have asked is 'How do i get Access to the Beta Release Area?'
The answer to that question is: give reliable consistent feedback in the public threads,
since there's no point having Beta Tester's that don't give feedback.
Claggy
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From our front page news at http://lunatics.kwsn.net/discussion-forum/be-advised-forum-membership-suspended-due-to-site-security-violations.msg26515.html;topicseen#msg26515
... if there are Guests who wish to actively participate as members of Lunatics and post re: Beta testing of pre-release applications, you may PM me at the S@H main board, ID = Gecko. Include a link to your Seti@home or Seti Beta host, a brief description of your testing rig, and general experience level/comfort with CPU / GPU testing and ability to work with custom app_info.xml and config. files. ..."
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well I did PM Gecko but it seems I'll just have to wait for my post counter to increase...
On a side note with the 10.4 Catalyst I very rarely get crashes on the GPU app wich wasn't the case before with 9.12.
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well I did PM Gecko but it seems I'll just have to wait for my post counter to increase...
On a side note with the 10.5 Catalyst I very rarely get crashes on the GPU app wich wasn't the case before with 9.12.
Not trying to under-appreciate your interest and it IS appreciated :), but a certain amount of participation is expected before having access to pre-release applications. While we understand "participation" doesn't necessarily = competence or guarantee of feedback, it does help us get a better idea of who should have access. Unfortunately, we get several requests from individuals w/ either 1) little intention to "test", just wanting the newest/fastest 2) lacking basic skills to properly use the apps. So, we are looking for a basic amount of credibility that tends to show by active posters here. ;)
I think you'll find a pretty easy opportunity to *help* other members/posters who might be having configuration troubles.
The Help Desk can always use another hand, and this will surely get you to Squire in no time. ;)
Thanks again.
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Thanks for the clarifications. I understand and will wait for either the apps to get out of beta status or my post count to increase enough :)
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I made a mistake in a previous post when talking about the Catalyst drivers it was 10.4 that I was running because the 10.5 were just released the other day.
Coming to the 10.5 Catalyst, there seems to be an issue withe the ap_5.05_win_x86_SSE3_BROOK_r280_NO_DOUBLE.exe as now the GPU load remains at a constant 0% with my low end 4550.
Damn you ATI for such drivers mess every time.
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You could also try OpenCL version ;)
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OMG i finally caught one of my machines doing one! about time! :D.
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/astropulse2.png)
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/quasarsky/astropulse.png)
hmm the machine with my 5870 doesnt' seem to be using much gpu. i need to try that beta one you told me too Raistmer . can i still get it?
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yeay it is working :)
BTW be sure to bug ATI on their Catalyst Driver feedback page about missing OpenCL drivers.